Dear friends, Now realizing of having put a host of queries in a single post ... may become a burdensome thread. Splitting this post query-wise. Responses are solicited accordingly.
Regards. On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear friends, please bear with elaborating the fuss with *RADIATA* and * > MUNGO* ... however the confusion seems to be reigning. > > A line at Wikipedia throws slight light over the confusion: > Urad (*Vigna mungo*), ... It, along with the mung bean, was placed in * > Phaseolus* but has been transferred to *Vigna*. It was at one point > considered to belong to the *same* species as the mung bean. > ... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urad_(bean)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urad_%28bean%29> > > > We have the following as fact: > *Vigna radiata* (syn. *Phaseolus radiatus*) ... MOONG, GREEN GRAM > *Vigna mungo* (syn. *Phaseolus mungo*) ... UDID, URD, BLACK GRAM > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > In search of *Vigna mungo* or the the more popular *Phaseolus mungo*, ... > following contradicting results: > > Names in all languages for moong, for *Phaseolus mungo* ... ENVIS - FRLHT > ... http://envis.frlht.org/plant_details.php?disp_id=2194 > > HINDI ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=platts&query=Phaseolus+mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 > H مونگ मूंग mūṅg [Prk. मुग्गो; S. मुट्गः], s.m. A species of pulse, > Phaseolus mungo > > KASHMIRI ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=grierson&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 > mŏng 1 म्वंग् । मुद्गः m. a species of pulse, Phaseolus Mungo (El. > Phaseolus Max or Radiatus) > > MARATHI ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%97&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth > मूग (p. 662) [ mūga ] m (मुद्ग S) A grain, Phaseolus mungo > > PUNJABI ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=MUṆG&matchtype=exact&display=utf8<http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=MU%E1%B9%86G&matchtype=exact&display=utf8> > MÚṆG ਮੂੰਗ s. f. A plant (Phaseolus mungo, Nat. Ord. Leguminosæ) > > SANSKRIT ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=apte&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 > रसः rasḥ : (page 1331) ... (-मः) 1 quicksilver.-2 Phaseolus Mungo (Mar. > मूग). > सौख्यम् saukhyam : (page 177) ... -दायकः Phaseolus Mungo (Mar. मूग). > हयः hayḥ : (page 1748) ... .-आनन्दः green grain of Phaselous Mungo (Mar. > हिरवे मूग) > मुद्ग (p. 230) [ mud-gá ] m. kind of kidney-bean (Phaseolus Mungo: the > plant and the seed). > > TAMIL ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=tamillex&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 > சிறுபயறு ciṟu-payaṟu, n. < id. +. 1. Green gram, Phaseolus mungo; > பச்சைப்பயறு paccai-p-payaṟu, n. < id. +. 1. Green gram, Phaseolus mungo; > பயறு payaṟu, n. ... Green-gram, Phaseolus mungo > > TELUGU ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=gwynn&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 > pesara n. (gen. pl. pesalu) greengram, phaseolus mungo > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > In search of *adad*, *udid*, *urad*, *urd* ... following contradictory > results: > > GUJARATI ... > http://www.gujaratilexicon.com/index.php?action=dictionary&chngdictype=EG > અડદ adad m. pl. kind of pulse, black beans, phaseolus radiatus > > HINDI ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=platts&query=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A6&matchtype=exact&display=utf8 > H ارد उरद urd, urad, s.m. A kind of vetch, Dolichos pilosus > > MARATHI ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=उडीद&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth<http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%A1%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A6&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth> > उडीद (p. 091) [ uḍīda ] m A pulse, Phaseolus radiatus > > PUNJABI ... > http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=uṛd&matchtype=exact&display=utf8<http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=u%E1%B9%9Bd&matchtype=exact&display=utf8> > MÁṆH ਮਾਂਹ s. m. A kind of grain (Phaseolus radiatus, P. Roxburghii, Nat. > Ord. Leguminosæ) of which an edible pulse is made, (i. e. uṛd); > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > MIX-UP > > *IMPGC ... http://impgc.com/plantinfo_A.php?id=307&bc* > Botanical Name: Phaseolus mungo L. non Gagn. > English Name: Black gram, Mung bean, Urd bean. > Synonym(s): Vigna mungo (L.) Hepper Azukia mungo (L.) Masam., Phaseolus > mungo L. non Roxb. & auct. mult., Phaseolus mungoradiatus sensu > Baker,Phaseolus radiatus Roxb., non L., Phaseolus roxburghii Wight & Arn., > Vigna mungo (L.) Hepper var mungo. > > *NPGS / GRIN ... http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?41621* > black gram (Source: World Econ Pl ) - English > moong (Source: Dict Rehm ) - India > > *M.M.P.N.D. ... > http://www.plantnames.unimelb.edu.au/Sorting/Vigna.html#mungo* > SYNONYM(S) : Azukia mungo (L.) Masam., Phaseolus mungo L. non Gagn., > Phaseolus mungo L. non Roxb. & auct. mult., Phaseolus mungo L. var. radiatus > sensu Baker, Phaseolus radiatus Roxb., non L., Phaseolus roxburghii Wight > & Arn., Vigna mungo (L.) Hepper var mungo. > HINDI : उरद Urd, उर्द, मूंग. > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > All this ado raised a few queries in my mind: > > 1) what could be the reason for mistaking identities of *moong* and *urid*? > 2) on what basis are the facts ascertained (that *V. mungo* is *urd* and *V. > radiata* is *moong* ) ? > 3) why the reverse naming (i.e. why was mung not named *Vigna mungo*) ? > 4) is the epithet *mungo* commemorative for the Scottish explorer of the > African continent, Mungo Park (1771 – 1806) ? > ... if so, what were the regional (native) names of mung called earlier to > coining the epithet. > 5) how many other species share this epithet ? ... could not get any search > results for floral species ... fauna, some species of mongoose. > > Regards. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Gurcharan ji, many thanks for validation ... yes... Pankaj ji has given me >> correct IDs. >> Certainly, the entries for the pulses have their botanical names put >> incorrectly in the Digital Dictionary at >> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/molesworth/ >> >> Many many thanks Pankaj ji. >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dinesh ji >>> Pankaj ji had put you on right track. You are again getting confused. >>> Just remember this reverse relationship. Moong is Vigna radiata and Urd is >>> V. mungo. Our students used to get confused also. >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Referring A dictionary, Marathi and English by Molesworth, J. T. (James >>>> Thomas), got following results for: >>>> >>>> *Mung*: *Phaseolus mungo* ... (current name: *Vigna mungo* var. *mungo* >>>> ) >>>> ... >>>> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=m%C5%ABga&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth >>>> >>>> *Udid*: *Phaseolus radiatus* ... (current name: *Vigna radiata* var. * >>>> radiata*) >>>> ... >>>> http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=u%E1%B8%8D%C4%ABda&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear friends, please comment / validate. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Dinesh Valke >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Many thanks to Pankaj ji for his response: >>>>> >>>>> ..................................................................... >>>>> >>>>> Vigna radiata- Moong. Green Gram >>>>> >>>>> Vigna mungo-Udid, Urd Black Gram. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>> >>>>> ................................................................ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Dinesh Valke >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>> Got confused while getting scientific names for *moong* and *udid*... >>>>>> please help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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