Dear Garg ji, Please have a look at the pictures of Elaeagnus latifolia <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/8e354e35-f501-4c64-8728-c20345749f4e> at Flora of Peninsular India: http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7 The flowers look different from those clicked by Dinesh <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/6368754647/in/photolist-4sWtuk-aGMvqR-aGMu94-aGMwu8-aGMwSB-s7YxXb-s4cTZJ-eyETEW-9cxyNA-dD256q-eyEYUG-dzGfPY-dD25Eq-roLQ3Y-9cxCZu-dD26ow-spH5bi-9cxAKY-9curCe-dzGfpS-eyEWi1-spxRNV-9cupsg-dCVGot-skJdRX-aGMxo8-dzAL1v-dCVHze-9cun5g-skLHWF>. Distinct difference in the relative size of the inflorescence and the leaves. Flowers in flora-peninsula are very small compared to the leaves. Tabish
On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 11:32:56 AM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: > > Finally I got the Keys from Flora Malesiana > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/polytomousKey/cd312bb8-bd92-4898-9d47-a54f2ea71b5d> > > as below: > > 1. *Flowers tubulose-campanulate; limb 4.5-7 mm long*. Style straight, > sparsely scaly at base only. Perianth segments (2-)3-4 by 2-3.25 mm. > Continental Southeast Asia …. Elaeagnus latifolia > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/8e354e35-f501-4c64-8728-c20345749f4e> > > 1' *Flowers trumpet-shaped; limb 1-4 mm long*. Style at apex > hook-shaped..... 2 > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/polytomousKey/cd312bb8-bd92-4898-9d47-a54f2ea71b5d#e1b7fb12-1ef9-46a0-8179-d82e06518235> > > 2 Limb 3.5-4 mm long, sometimes thickened at base. Style densely > stellate-scaly, especially near the base. Perianth segments (1 —)1.5—2 by > 1.5-2 mm …. Elaeagnus conferta > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/b1fd334f-2a15-4e99-9b63-696010138b90> > > 2' Limb 1—3(—4) mm long. Style glabrous, rarely with some stellate scales > at base. Perianth segments 2-4(-5) by 2-3 mm .... Elaeagnus triflora > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/bf1e0110-c8d0-4a63-b0cb-4d9efac02e0d> > > There is an illustration of Elaeagnus conferta in Flora Malesiana > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/node/4504>, which looks > different from our plant. > In view, I am taking our observations from South India and Maharashtra as > *Elaeagnus > latifolia L. *with *Elaeagnus kologa* Schltdl. as syn. and other synonyms > as per Catalogue of Life > <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> > ; > > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 09:25, J.M. Garg <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> On furthers search, I found that our observations in efi site at *Elaeagnus >> conferta* Roxb. >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/elaeagnaceae/elaeagnus/elaeagnus-conferta> >> matches >> with those of *Elaeagnus latifolia* L. >> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >> at >> >> Flora of Karnataka >> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ac.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=1550&cat=1> >> Flora of peninsular India >> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >> Flora of eastern Ghats >> <http://floraeasternghats.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=1296&cat=4> >> >> Also Catalogue of Life >> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> >> gives >> distribution for this species as *S-India, Sri Lanka*, Myanmar [Burma] >> (Bago, Kachin, Kayin, Mandalay, Sagaing, Shan, Yangon), Malesia, Andamans >> (Middle Andamans, South Andamans), Nicobars (Central Nicobars, Great >> Nicobar Isl., Little Nicobar Isl.), Pakistan (I), Bangladesh >> Catalogue of Life >> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/bf43be705e145bba3a8f0eba51321ffa>gives >> >> distribution of *Elaeagnus conferta *Roxb. as China (Guangxi, Yunnan), >> *India, >> *Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Java, peninsular Malaysia (Penang, Perak),* >> Assam, Bangladesh, Myanmar [Burma], Bhutan, Darjeeling*, Indochina, >> Andaman Isl., Nicobar Isl., Sumatra, Mauritius (I) - I think India here >> means other than south India. >> >> Flora of Pakistan >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=111375> also >> mention *Elaeagnus latifolia* Linn. >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242422123> with >> distribution as Burma, Malaya Islands, Sri lanka, China, subtropical and >> temperate Himalaya, while there is no mention of this in Flora of China >> <http://www.efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=2&start_taxon_id=111375>, >> which mentions both *Elaeagnus conferta* Roxburgh& *Elaeagnus >> angustifolia* Linnaeus (other two species mentioned in Flora of >> Pakistan), Checklist of Nepal >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=111375> and >> Flora of Bhutan >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/elaeagnaceae/elaeagnus> >> . >> >> *In view of all this analysis, I feel our observations from South India >> and Maharashtra, should be taken as Elaeagnus latifolia L. *with *Elaeagnus >> kologa* Schltdl. as syn. and other synonyms as per Catalogue of Life >> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> >> ; >> >> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 17:14, J.M. Garg <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >>> Note in the book at *Elaeagnus latifolia* L. >>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >>> further >>> says: >>> This taxon has often been segregated into two distinct species on the >>> basis of perianth and anthocarp shape. The low altitude plants has been >>> placed under *E. conferta *and higher altitude plants under *E. kologa*. >>> As the species is a variable one, we have retained the broader Linean >>> species concept. >>> >>> An excursion flora of Central Tamilnadu by K M Mathew (1995), gives >>> following differences between two species as: >>> Leaves coppery below, Fascicle > 5-flowered, scales peltate, brown, Nut >>> winged. Higher hills- *E. kologa* >>> Leaves silvery below, Fascicle < 4-flowered, scales stellate, silvery >>> white, Nut not winged. Lower hills- *E. indica* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 15:59, J.M. Garg <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have made some mistake earlier. Correct wordings should be >>>> >>>> Flora of Peninsular India >>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/index.php> gives the >>>> following species with details as below: >>>> >>>> *Elaeagnus indica *Servett. >>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3528&cat=7> >>>> (*Endemic to Andhra pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamilnadu- Flower, >>>> fruit- March to June*) >>>> >>>> *Elaeagnus latifolia* L. >>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >>>> (Syn:* Elaeagnus conferta *Roxb.; *Elaeagnus kologa *Sch. in DC.) >>>> (S-India, >>>> Sri Lanka, Myanmar [Burma] (Bago, Kachin, Kayin, Mandalay, Sagaing, >>>> Shan, Yangon), Malesia, Andamans (Middle Andamans, South Andamans), >>>> Nicobars (Central Nicobars, Great Nicobar Isl., Little Nicobar Isl.), >>>> Pakistan >>>> (I), Bangladesh as per Catalogue of Life >>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> >>>> - *Karnataka, Kerala, Orissa and Tamilnadu- Flower, fruit- November to >>>> March*) >>>> >>>> I could not find the difference between the two on net. >>>> >>>> I could not find the difference between the two on net. >>>> Going by this (*Flower, fruit- November to March*), most of the >>>> observations in our site at *Elaeagnus conferta* Roxb. >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/elaeagnaceae/elaeagnus/elaeagnus-conferta> >>>> should >>>> be of *E. latifolia*. >>>> Can someone solve this mystery ? >>>> >>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 15:48, Dinesh Valke <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Garg ji. >>>>> I have not studied this matter; most probably I may not succeed ! >>>>> There could be more than one *E. latifolia* described, and therefore >>>>> the confusion. >>>>> As I said, *Elaeagnus latifolia* *auct non L.* is considered >>>>> synonymous with *E. conferta* Roxb. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:31 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Useful Tropical plants >>>>>> <http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Elaeagnus+latifolia> >>>>>> on Elaeagnus latifolia says as below: >>>>>> Elaeagnus latifolia, Elaeagnus conferta and Elaeagnos triflora are >>>>>> sometimes treated as three distinct species and sometimes as a single >>>>>> entity (under Elaeagnus latifolia). There is also disagreement over the >>>>>> range of the species, with Elaeagnus latifolia variously stated to be >>>>>> native to the Indian Continent or to continental southeast Asia. In this >>>>>> treatment the three are treated as distinct, following the Flora >>>>>> Malesiana. >>>>>> Many taxa in this genus are separated only by quantitative >>>>>> characters, and better information on population variation is likely to >>>>>> lead to a significant reduction in the number of species recognized. >>>>>> Indeed, recent studies (Du, Fl. Yunnan. 12: 749-776. 2006) suggest that >>>>>> some species of Elaeagnus should be combined. >>>>>> Synonyms given are as below: >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus infundibularis* Momiy. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus kologa ceylanica* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus kologa grisebachii* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus kologa macrophylla* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus kologa wightii* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus punctata* Schltdl. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus rotundifolia* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus thwaitesii* Schltdl. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 16:19, J.M. Garg <[email protected] >>>>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Flora of Peninsular India >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/index.php> gives the >>>>>>> following species with details as below: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Elaeagnus indica* Servett. >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3528&cat=7> >>>>>>> (Syn: *Elaeagnus conferta* Roxb.) (*Endemic to Andhra pradesh, >>>>>>> Karnataka, Kerala and Tamilnadu- Flower, fruit- March to June*) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Elaeagnus latifolia* L. >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >>>>>>> (S-India, Sri Lanka, Myanmar [Burma] (Bago, Kachin, Kayin, >>>>>>> Mandalay, Sagaing, Shan, Yangon), Malesia, Andamans (Middle >>>>>>> Andamans, South Andamans), Nicobars (Central Nicobars, Great Nicobar >>>>>>> Isl., >>>>>>> Little Nicobar Isl.), Pakistan (I), Bangladesh as per Catalogue of >>>>>>> Life >>>>>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> >>>>>>> - *Karnataka, Kerala, Orissa and Tamilnadu- Flower, fruit- November >>>>>>> to March*) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could not find the difference between the two on net. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Going by this (*Flower, fruit- November to March*), most of the >>>>>>> observations in our site at *Elaeagnus conferta* Roxb. >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/elaeagnaceae/elaeagnus/elaeagnus-conferta> >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> be of *E. latifolia*. >>>>>>> Can someone solve this mystery ? >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>>> more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>> Plants >>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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