Garg ji Before we reach any conclusion, we have to decide: Are we rejecting I. scabrida for our specimens totally? This paper identifies I. tricornis as distinct species, Catalogue of Life considers it synonym of I. cristata, which this paper considers as synonym of I. scabrida. This paper was published in 2016, whereas Catalogue of Life is updated every year. No database recognises I. tricornis, but we want to accept it. I don't see any justification. As I wrote earlier let us first find key separating I. edgeworthii, I. scabrida and I. tricornis (if at all distinct species) and the place of specimens.
Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Mob: 9810359089 https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 10:10 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Singh ji, > It is not an isolated paper and recently published. It deals with our > plant found in NW Himlayas and that too by authors who have worked in this > area on Impatiens substantially. In due course, it will be reflected in > Online databases. > > I am reproducing relevant extracts from Studies of Impatiens > (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal 3. Impatiens scabrida and Allied Species Shinobu > Akiyama1,* and Hideaki Ohba2 > (Abstract: Impatiens tricornis (Balsaminaceae), often treated to be > conspecific with I. scabrida, is distinguished by the shape of the lower > sepal. After checking the type of I. scabrida it became clear that most of > the plants referred to as I. scabrida, or I. cristata, are not true I. > scabrida, but I. tricornis. Lectotypes for I. calycina and I. tricornis are > designated) > > 1. *Impatiens tricornis *Lindl. in Bot. Reg. 26: t. 7 (1840). Hook. in > Bot. Mag. 70: t. 4051 (1844). > Type: Illustration, t. 7 published in Bot. Reg. 26 (1840) (lectotype, > designated here). > * I. praetermissa *Hook.f. in J. Linn. Soc. Bot. 37: 29 (1904). Type: > Wallich s.n. (not found). > * I. scabrida *auct. non DC.: Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 2: t. 323 > (1840). Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 472 (1875); in Rec. Bot. Srv. Ind. 4: 7 > & 10 (1904). Hara in Fl. E. Him.: 196 (1966); 2nd rep.: 75 (1971); in Hara > & Williams, Enum. > Flow. Pl. Nepal 2: 80 (1979). Polunin & Stainton, Flow. Himal.: 70 (1984). > Akiyama et al. in Ohba & Malla, Him. Pl. 2: 83, fig. 16, Pl. 6 a–c (1991); > in J. Jap. Bot. 67: 192 (1992). > *I. cristata *auct. non Wall.: Hook.f. in Rec. Bot. > Srv. Ind. 4: 7 & 10 (1904); 4: 22 (1905). Grey-Wilson in Grierson & Long, > Fl. Bhutan 2: 92, fig.12a–c (1991). > Herbs, annual, erect, 30–80 cm tall, pubescent. Leaves alternate, evenly > distributed along the stem, petiolate or nearly sessile in upper part of > stem; petiole 5–25 mm long; blade herbaceous, broadly lanceolate to ovate > or elliptic, 3–11.5 cm 1.5–4.3 cm, base attenuate, margin serrate to > crenate-serrate, apex acuminate or acute, scabrid on both surfaces. > Inflorescences axillary, with 1–3 (or 4) flowers. Peduncle 8–15 mm long. > Pedicels 10–20 mm long with a bract at the middle. Bracts narrowly ovate to > linear, 3–6 mm long, apex acute. Flowers pale yellow or yellow with reddish > brown dots, 2.5–3 cm long, 3–3.5 cm deep. Lateral sepals 2, nearly round, > ca. 10 mm long, with an awn at apex. Lower sepal pale yellow shaded with > dull orange, bucciniform, (9–)15–18 mm long, (13–)20–25 mm deep (excluding > the spur), abruptly constricted into incurved spur; spur curved, (8–)15–23 > mm in overall length. Dorsal petal pale yellow, 12–15(–18) mm > long,14–18(–24) mm wide when flattened, cucullate, dorsally with a > keel-like crest; crest 3–5 mm high. Lateral united petals pale yellow, > sometimes with brownish stripes, (18–)25–30 mm long; upper lobe oblong to > ovate, (7–)13–15 mm long, (6–)7–10 mm wide, apex slightly retuse to > truncate; lower lobe ovate to elliptic-ovate, (11–) 13–15(–17) mm long, > (5–)6–8 mm wide, apex obtuse. Stamens 5, anthers without appendage. Fruit > 3–4 cm long. > > 2. *Impatiens scabrida *DC., Prodr. 1: 687 (Jan. 1824). Holotype: Nepal > [Napauliâ]. Wallich s.n. (G00218814). [Figs. 2, 4a, b] I. calycina Wall. in > Roxb., Fl. Ind. 2: 463 (Mar.–June 1824). Type: Nepal. Chundrugiri > [Chandragiri] [Chandaghiry on the label] Wallich [4769a], Aug. 1821 > (designated here). [Figs. 4e, 5] *I. cristata *Wall. in Roxb., Fl. Ind. > 2: 456 (Mar.–June 1824). Type: not designated. No authentic specimen is > found. > Similar to I. tricornis but flowers smaller. Lower sepal navicular or > infundibuliform, 9–12 mm long, 5.5–8 mm deep (excluding the spur), tapering > into a long upwardly or downwardly curved spur; spur 17–25 mm in overall > length. > Specimens examined: Known only from the types of I. scabrida and I. > calycina. > > *Conclusions* > It is clear that the shape of the lower sepal of I. scabrida sensu DC. is > navicular and tapers into a spur. In I. cristata and I. calycina it is > clear that the lower sepal also gradually tapers into a spur. > In contrast, the lower sepal of I. scabrida [sensu Hara (1979) and Akiyama > et al. (1991, 1992)] is bucciniform to funnel-shaped and abruptly > constricted into the spur, which corresponds with the features of I. > tricornis and I. praetermissa. The shape of the lower sepal of I. > hamiltoniana is still uncertain. The name *I. tricornis *should therefore > be used for I. scabrida [sensu Hara (1979) and Akiyama et al. (1991, 1992)]. > > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 09:08, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Garg ji >> Garg ji, I have gone through all, and given my detailed comments. >> We can't be adhoc in our approach, we have to decide which database to >> follow. We can't follow isolated papers, that too about plants about >> another country. See my two specimens critically. >> Why do want to follow a name which no database follows? >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Mob: 9810359089 >> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:57 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Saroj ji and Singh ji, >>> Pl. go through Renaming Impatiens scabrida DC. page to Impatiens >>> tricornis Lindl. >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/BVnbQFpf2Lo> >>> >>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 08:40, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Gurucharan sir. >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 8:20 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree with Saroj ji, I. scabrida. >>>>> I upload here two very distinct specimens >>>>> I. edgeworthii with gradually narrowed tube, longer slightly or >>>>> distinctly curved spur, lighter coloured flowers, stems mostly glabrous >>>>> I. scabrida with suddenly narrowed tube, shorter curved spur and >>>>> brighter flowers, stems mostly scabrid.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 5:08 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Impatiens scabrida >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242423118> >>>>>> Impatiens scabrida >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242423118> >>>>>> Impatiens scabrida DC. >>>>>> <http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:374334-1> >>>>>> Impatiens scabrida DC. >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiG_62B_tXnAhUV7XMBHWrJCaEQFjAAegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbif.org%2Fspecies%2F4192907&usg=AOvVaw2PgC699qGwprVL8dG9ZYPF> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 2:54 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Impatiens tricornis as per another thread by Ashutosh ji at Renaming >>>>>>> Impatiens scabrida DC. page to Impatiens tricornis Lindl. >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/BVnbQFpf2Lo> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 at 09:01 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:148375] Balsaminaceae, Geraniaceae and >>>>>>> Oxalidaceae week: Balsaminaceae-Impatiens scabrida from Manali and >>>>>>> Chakrata-GS-12 >>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Impatiens scabrida* DC., Prodr. 1:687. 1824. >>>>>>> Syn: *Impatiens* *cristata* Wall.; *I. calycina* Wall.; *I. >>>>>>> hamiltoniana* D. Don >>>>>>> *I. praetermissa* Hook.f.;* I. tricornis* Lindl. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Local names: rindliya, tilura >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Branched annual herb often reaching up to 1 m tall, pubescent or >>>>>>> subglabrous towards base, often purple; leaves alternate, elliptic to >>>>>>> oblong-ovate, 6-15 cm long, sessile or short petiolate, petiole with two >>>>>>> sessile glands at base, leaf margin sharply serrate, teeth gland-tipped, >>>>>>> apex acuminate; flowers golden yellow, spotted with purple or brown, >>>>>>> 3-4 cm >>>>>>> long excluding spur, in 1-3 flowered clusters on up to 7 cm long >>>>>>> axillary >>>>>>> peduncles; pedicel with usually 2 lanceolate persistent 3-4 mm long >>>>>>> bracteoles; 2 lateral sepals ovate-rounded, 5-6 mm long, mucronate; >>>>>>> lower >>>>>>> sepal broadly funnel-shaped, abruptly narrowed into incurved spur 10-12 >>>>>>> mm >>>>>>> long; upper petal broadly circular 12-15 mm long, 16-18 mm broad, with >>>>>>> horn-like green outgrowth on back, bilobed at tip; lateral united petals >>>>>>> without claws, bilobed, basal lobes rounded, distal lobes with inflexed >>>>>>> auricle; capsule erect, linear, 25-40 mm long, ribbed hairy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Photographed from Manali and Chakrata >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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