---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 17:01 Subject: Re: [itpmods:13635] Could we think of restoring interactions on efloraofindia? To: <[email protected]>
Thank you for your realistic comments and feedback Pankaj. I am all smiles for your title bestowed upon me.😁! Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 4:55 pm, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Pankaj you are right on many things > My quota of 5,000 on Facebook is over, so I can't take any more. My wife > keeps on getting requests from my friends as she has my first name in the > middle of her name, keeps on asking me who this one is?. Don't think Garg > ji that I am disappointed with not getting likes or praises, as Pankaj > pointed out we have passed that age. I was only warning the moderators of > the situation that activity in the group may not totally die out, which I > am visualizing in near future. I admire your great dedication in compiling > database, and wish others may join you to complete this great job, but my > aim is on future. We may not reach a stage when we say ......there was an > email group known as efloraofindia......The groups run with actively > participating members. It was my duty to issue a warning, it is up to > members to take it seriously or not. > When I open my gmail in the morning (in fact it remains open whole > day, as I open multiple tabs), 98 % of mails are about garg ji updating a > page or knowing/confirming id of a disputed plant, to which also I don't > find expected response, and hardly any new uploads other than odd ones by > Saroj ji or Aarti ji. > Wish members take it more seriously than they do presently. > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Mob: 9810359089 > https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 > > > On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 4:06 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, a single dedicated individual like Saroj ji can make so much of a >> difference with the support of our team. >> >> On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 15:53, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I truly understand Gurcharan sirs point and so agree that interactions >>> have went down. However I will never compare our group with a Facebook >>> group. I can’t say all but I estimate that almost 60% of people there have >>> no idea and they don’t understand what’s going on. Some are even addicted >>> to Facebook. If I make one response I get ten friendship request on >>> Facebook. So much so that they even send. Add request to my fiancé and she >>> asks me if I know them. >>> Many of them copy paste. People like Gurcharan sir many other members of >>> this group are not looking for praises, they have crossed that period of >>> their life and only looking to help others selflessly. So I would say don’t >>> get disheartened. >>> As for activity on our group I had been at the same speed long time back >>> and I used to comment on others but then I made some mistakes and realised >>> that I should not be trying to guess plant names which I have less idea >>> about. I work on Orchidaceae and I have a bit of knowledge of Thismiaceae >>> so I focus on these (never got anything from second family). >>> I also have no words for Garg sir who takes so much time meticulously >>> sending id requests to particular members and organising each family one by >>> one. I don’t think I have such patience and capabilities. As for my side I >>> can assure that I will try to be more active. Although I never liked thank >>> you replies so I never sent or replied. >>> Kudos to all members who have kept on the speed and we are not just a >>> team but a family, and we will always be. >>> I really wish to mention here the DANADAN contribution of Saroj sir. He >>> is such a restless guy posting pictures almost every day. I seriously can’t >>> do that!! We should name him DANADAN POSTER ON EFLORAOFINDIA!! >>> Thanks and regards >>> Pankaj >>> >>> On Saturday, February 29, 2020, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 09:31 >>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:344063] Fwd: [itpmods:13627] Could we think >>>> of restoring interactions on efloraofindia? >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rightly said Mr. Garg, >>>> >>>> Bhagbat Gita says : कर्मण्येवाधिकारस्ते मा फलेषु कदाचन । मा >>>> कर्मफलहेतुर्भुर्मा ते संगोऽस्त्वकर्मणि ! >>>> >>>> Still human nature expects some acknowledgements and interactions >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 9:08 am, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 08:52 >>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:13627] Could we think of restoring interactions >>>>> on efloraofindia? >>>>> To: itpmods <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Singh ji and others for your valuable inputs. >>>>> I think need of the hour is to change ourselves. I think following >>>>> changes in approach is required: >>>>> 1. *To be satisfied by posting (without expecting many thank you >>>>> mails)* with the promise that it will appear in our database and will >>>>> be looked into by hundreds of people all over the world over a period of >>>>> time (although again without thank you mails) and mistakes, if any, will >>>>> be >>>>> noticed and rectified over a period of time (if not immediately). Today, >>>>> if any resource is more seen all over the world, it is efloraofindia (as >>>>> far as Indian resources are concerned). Thank you mails are a two way >>>>> sword. Although it may encourage the posting member, it may distract >>>>> others >>>>> by making them see the same material again and again, every time thank you >>>>> mail is posted. >>>>> 2. *Post high resolution/ original images*,* for seeing minute >>>>> details like those (or better) seen in large resolution specimens*. >>>>> This way these valuable images will never be lost. Future publications all >>>>> over the world may like to rely more on efloraofindia, if such details are >>>>> available (may be without giving any credit directly to it, being a >>>>> secondary source). We have no issue as far as size is concerned except >>>>> that >>>>> it has to be less than 8 Mb to be posted on the group. Saroj ji has >>>>> already >>>>> done a great job in this regard. >>>>> 3. *To get more and more serious members (those who post complete >>>>> details) to post on the group*.* One way is to help with quick ids >>>>> and another is to make all out efforts so that difficult ids are finally >>>>> nailed even in a larger time frame. For this, any of the experts on the >>>>> group may help as and when he can spare time*. I have the feeling >>>>> that actual constructive output has never gone down, but in fact increased >>>>> over a period of time. This may be attributed to the fact that we now have >>>>> a large database with textual and photographic keys along with other >>>>> details. Thanks to the earlier contributions by hundreds of our valuable >>>>> members. If all the ids get settled in say seven days time, I may get more >>>>> time to sort out more and more genera every month in our site and make >>>>> comparative images with keys along with rectifying the wrong >>>>> identifications (*This job can also be taken up by any of the >>>>> experts/ members*, but so far no one has come forward except some >>>>> efforts made by Chadwell ji in the past. What any of the experts can do is >>>>> look at all the species in a genus in our site and point out mistakes, if >>>>> any wrong identifications. This job has now become easier as most of the >>>>> images on our site are already displayed above every thread). >>>>> >>>>> In this group, all the selfless contributions are duly recognised and >>>>> kept on record for posterity, for members to be more satisfied and they >>>>> can >>>>> boast of such work in any forum. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:49, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sir, I was busy with my other assignments. >>>>>> I'll surely start interacting again after 2-3 months. >>>>>> >>>>>> We always enjoy your posts whenever get time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 28 Feb, 2020, 7:58 PM Nidhan Singh, <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Gurcharan Sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with your views, that the interactions on this forum have >>>>>>> drastically declined, and it is Garg Ji who keep on interacting, despite >>>>>>> all the limitations.. >>>>>>> He is making best efforts to manage the huge data gathered in due >>>>>>> course of time, and certainly it is boosted by small number of new >>>>>>> posts... >>>>>>> but this is nothing to feel pleased of..!! >>>>>>> Saroj Ji keep postings on, you have also restarted after a long gap, >>>>>>> Dinesh Ji too keep on posting every now and then.. many members, >>>>>>> including >>>>>>> myself, have gone silent due to one or the other reasons...!! >>>>>>> I always wished for restoration of interactions, as you have >>>>>>> desired, but I remember that even in the most interactive phase, only >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> members kept on interacting on regular basis..compared to the total >>>>>>> number >>>>>>> of members..!! >>>>>>> As said by Tapas Ji, if any of the post remains >>>>>>> unresponsive/unattended, the poster certainly feels bad..and it must be >>>>>>> avoided, if possible..!! >>>>>>> Having discussed the problem, I now wish that we come out with some >>>>>>> suggestions or decision about sharing of responsibilities...and for the >>>>>>> time being, we should accept this platform as it is, because it is not >>>>>>> openly interactive like facebook groups..who knows the technical >>>>>>> advancement offers some newer versions/options to make the deliberations >>>>>>> instantly publicised/appreciated.. >>>>>>> Being open has its disadvantages too.. >>>>>>> I personally see my inbox as frequently as I see facebook >>>>>>> posts..though I may not be able to respond as frequently as clicking the >>>>>>> like button of FB.. >>>>>>> All I know is, interacting on eFI is far better than any of the >>>>>>> facebook activities..Let us hope to resume the action....!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAE%3DTH0Du%3DWpMiHpzbZjeqkN8QP4Kb9m02k7gYkA7%2Brn0esS6rw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAE%3DTH0Du%3DWpMiHpzbZjeqkN8QP4Kb9m02k7gYkA7%2Brn0esS6rw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEWs%3DZkEoC%3D1hdKz5kUwsJrr%2BxtQ2BrUDFptAgi_MhYHb9vxCQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEWs%3DZkEoC%3D1hdKz5kUwsJrr%2BxtQ2BrUDFptAgi_MhYHb9vxCQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>> >>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>>> India'. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>> >>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>>> India'. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCMAVPuh0%2BT_HO9y-0TEfBdpvU3j_CrKWryPpnE9cC58A%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCMAVPuh0%2BT_HO9y-0TEfBdpvU3j_CrKWryPpnE9cC58A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytQAFybLKoDVKpOiX-XTdydz%2Bf5%3D7aePZ_RQAUb%3DPBHt8A%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytQAFybLKoDVKpOiX-XTdydz%2Bf5%3D7aePZ_RQAUb%3DPBHt8A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>> >>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>> India'. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFDBs4AHqmEscHsY86PdqD1wh-%2B-ZO9QW469SdUmGVzRXg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFDBs4AHqmEscHsY86PdqD1wh-%2B-ZO9QW469SdUmGVzRXg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ****************************************************** >>> **************************************************************** >>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>> >>> *Office*: >>> >>> Orchid Conservation Section >>> >>> Flora Conservation Department >>> >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China >>> >>> *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 >>> (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 7194 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CABpo8%3D3QdjVpmcPNCZra-q_3g19B5P5XmDOFMxWSMYT_q3%2BubA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CABpo8%3D3QdjVpmcPNCZra-q_3g19B5P5XmDOFMxWSMYT_q3%2BubA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ITPmods" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFD8bpq8Sh41Pa%3DNb5mXtKmEAZ-uOVakdfarb1VHTTmbDQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFD8bpq8Sh41Pa%3DNb5mXtKmEAZ-uOVakdfarb1VHTTmbDQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ITPmods" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpXuEGp_y315t2F%3DmW5cHzHQNivdYOwGKh4a%3D2pzkqRttA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpXuEGp_y315t2F%3DmW5cHzHQNivdYOwGKh4a%3D2pzkqRttA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Thank you. Saroj Kasaju -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ITPmods" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEf%3DytT%2BBBvznngB17hC2D2QNXo2hhixLRriMfv9JRdY9K1mmg%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEf%3DytT%2BBBvznngB17hC2D2QNXo2hhixLRriMfv9JRdY9K1mmg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. 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