---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 10:43 Subject: Re: [itpmods:14160] Which database to follow? To: itpmods <[email protected]>
Garg ji Here is the file for Menispermaceae Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Mob: 9810359089 https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 8:32 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Singh ji. > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 20:20, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Garg ji >> Here are the two families (Annonaceae and Dilleniaceae) with list of >> species reported from India and those represented on our website, >> nomenclature updated from Kew Database. Fortunately generic distribution >> and nomenclature agrees with what we have on our database. >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Mob: 9810359089 >> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 6:04 PM Vijayasankar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I usually consult various databases to get a more complete picture, but >>> more frequently POWO. When there is discrepancy in the names among TPL, >>> CoL, GBIF, POWO, I have found POWO as more reliable and inclusive. >>> >>> Tropicos ( https://www.tropicos.org/home ) is also great; it provides >>> reference details of who accepted a name or treated as synonym, and also >>> tags names whether it's a nom. cons., legitimate, invalid, nom. rej., or >>> illegitimate. >>> >>> For medicinal plants species, I would refer to MPNS ( >>> https://mpns.science.kew.org/mpns-portal/) which is the most recent and >>> being actively updated for medicinal plants. This database gives both >>> common/vernacular and botanical names, often sourced from WCSP & POWO, with >>> references. >>> >>> Vijayasankar >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. >>> Sr. Research Scientist >>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>> University of Mississippi, USA >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Santhosh ji. >>>> It is a question who has updated with the latest publications as well >>>> as who has dipped into other databases like BSI Flora of India, India's >>>> regional Floras and eFloras etc. >>>> Sometimes it is POWO and sometimes it is Catalogue of Life. >>>> We have to consult both and then decide which to follow. >>>> >>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 17:18, Dr E S Santhosh Kumar < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think the Kew Database is more reliable >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 5:09 pm Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes Gurucharan Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> I find a lot of discrepancies as well. Sme names in POWO is >>>>>> completely different which is >>>>>> not mentioned in any other sites and accepted names/ synonyms v.v.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:27 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, Singh ji, >>>>>>> We have to follow which we feel is more logical. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 16:05, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just an example I was looking up latest taxonomic status of *Polyalthia >>>>>>>> cerasoides* (Roxb.) Benth. & Hook.f. ex Bedd. listed in BSA Flora >>>>>>>> of India. Catalogue of Life showed it as synonym of *Hubera >>>>>>>> cerasoides *(Roxb.) Chaowasku, whereas Kew Database showed both as >>>>>>>> synonyms of Huberantha cerasoides (Roxb.) Chaowasku. On further >>>>>>>> looking up >>>>>>>> I found former published in 2012 and latter in 2015 by the same author, >>>>>>>> obviously it is logical to follow latter. Plus as I wrote Catalogue of >>>>>>>> Life >>>>>>>> simply does not list many names. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:54 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think WCSP >>>>>>>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=C401F4DE7044C35CF77D2DBD86891292.kppapp06-wcsp?checklist=selected_families%40%40003030120200907348> >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> one of the most reliable, but limited only to a limited number of >>>>>>>>> families >>>>>>>>> (The checklist includes 200 Seed Plant families (View list of >>>>>>>>> included families <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/incfamilies.do>))- >>>>>>>>> It was earlier relied upon by The Plant List for these families (but >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> based on fixed data submitted to them in 2012) and now by The >>>>>>>>> Catalogue of >>>>>>>>> Life as well as POWO depend on this for most of these families. >>>>>>>>> Then there are others like Catalogue of Life and POWO. GBIF relies >>>>>>>>> on Catalogue of Life, but names of synonymous species (which were at >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> point were accepted) are also shown on the thumbnails in the gallery >>>>>>>>> (in >>>>>>>>> case there is some different treatment by somebody else). But >>>>>>>>> Catalogue of >>>>>>>>> life does not indicate bibliography as is being done in GRIN earlier >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> now in POWO (so we do not know upto what date publications have been >>>>>>>>> considered). But if it gives detailed distribution, it may be >>>>>>>>> considered >>>>>>>>> that a wide range of sources have been considered. >>>>>>>>> Then there are eFloras (like those of China, Pakistan and Nepal), >>>>>>>>> which were published online in the early 2000. >>>>>>>>> Then one may not find one species in some of the databases due to >>>>>>>>> some slight difference in spelling in the middle or at the end of the >>>>>>>>> name. >>>>>>>>> Earlier it was GRIN, which has almost gone now. Then came ITIS and >>>>>>>>> The Plant List, a good attempt to start with. These are almost >>>>>>>>> replaced by >>>>>>>>> WCSP, Catalogue of Life, Plants of the World Online etc. >>>>>>>>> It is good to see competition. And it is always better to consult >>>>>>>>> a few of them rather than depending on one. *And finally choose >>>>>>>>> one that you feel is better for a particular species, genus or family >>>>>>>>> depending upon from where the underlying data is coming from*. >>>>>>>>> Recently there has been widespread changes in many genera, but we >>>>>>>>> have to consciously see and decide if we have to follow them for the >>>>>>>>> sake >>>>>>>>> of familiarity or not. >>>>>>>>> The opinion of the Experts on our group in the past or future, may >>>>>>>>> also be considered. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> While following different databases for last few years, I have >>>>>>>>>> seen totally different taxonomic treatments in these: Kew Database >>>>>>>>>> (Plants >>>>>>>>>> of The World Online), World Flora Online (replacement for TPL) and >>>>>>>>>> Catalogue of Life (April 2020 Beta version). >>>>>>>>>> I have mostly been following the Catalogue of Life, but >>>>>>>>>> while preparing the list of species reported from India, I noticed >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> several species are not even listed in this database. I could find >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> these in Kew Database. This raises a big question, which database we >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> follow for the sake of unanimity. As different volunteers are >>>>>>>>>> working for >>>>>>>>>> updation of our website, we need to develop consensus. As per my >>>>>>>>>> recent >>>>>>>>>> experience I would vote for Kew Database. Your opinions please to >>>>>>>>>> reach an >>>>>>>>>> agreed solution. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWR9XF_2-nTWjDZO0JmrrqDXyZmcK75kt6JX_XQMJS0OA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWR9XF_2-nTWjDZO0JmrrqDXyZmcK75kt6JX_XQMJS0OA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) >>>>>>>>> or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common >>>>>>>>> Birds of India'. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFDCK3t0zgYzzhcwrvtGV7L8p3JryQGBEOjWtqQF5SUmyw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFDCK3t0zgYzzhcwrvtGV7L8p3JryQGBEOjWtqQF5SUmyw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWH9e2xj1CbthOigaGHj_GAuH0DtX4A%3DugvKzfC5g%3D0oA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWH9e2xj1CbthOigaGHj_GAuH0DtX4A%3DugvKzfC5g%3D0oA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>>> more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for >>>>>>> free >>>>>>> as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds >>>>>>> of India'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFC-ibCwrU789S%3DdcUBpNWqPT4HW19AUYjtvS40HfThZfg%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFC-ibCwrU789S%3DdcUBpNWqPT4HW19AUYjtvS40HfThZfg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEf%3DytRB3ExDTEopU8aCwA7SEjq4R5pHAp4BjKVXbo70bXKDig%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEf%3DytRB3ExDTEopU8aCwA7SEjq4R5pHAp4BjKVXbo70bXKDig%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BBiB1L%2Bwswnc6cOjkpfk3AzTSjgDFeff7p_keXdkvRnXiGGgA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BBiB1L%2Bwswnc6cOjkpfk3AzTSjgDFeff7p_keXdkvRnXiGGgA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>>> 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>> >>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>> India'. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCAew_xSnL3D0px1JUx7bXjS-5prUK%2Bub4f5fOgVwvzCg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCAew_xSnL3D0px1JUx7bXjS-5prUK%2Bub4f5fOgVwvzCg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAOZ1_21zybes4dKrOpJxKOGzK2g7P%3DSmnA5n_sT2iHifnH52vA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAOZ1_21zybes4dKrOpJxKOGzK2g7P%3DSmnA5n_sT2iHifnH52vA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ITPmods" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWh20_%2B7paS5sE5CNF5_Yd0HHC%3D_KD17sAH4NFn5QMPig%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWh20_%2B7paS5sE5CNF5_Yd0HHC%3D_KD17sAH4NFn5QMPig%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than > 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ITPmods" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFBvviGg9BEegcWCE7pCr6RCG0TD%3D%2Bi1oO5Oh7ZgswSiDA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFBvviGg9BEegcWCE7pCr6RCG0TD%3D%2Bi1oO5Oh7ZgswSiDA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ITPmods" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpVMtTN%3DtAxo6kON1%3DsG2Go%3DqsQWRQrQZRmr_1Vss0rZug%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpVMtTN%3DtAxo6kON1%3DsG2Go%3DqsQWRQrQZRmr_1Vss0rZug%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). The whole world uses my Image Resource <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFB7OXXAZyvXpmWeVdG5Evz%2BSB2pCFOSa4WWfS%3Dgyo1qJg%40mail.gmail.com.
Menispermaceae.docx
Description: MS-Word 2007 document
