Thanks, Ashutosh ji. I agree with you. On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 20:08, Ashutosh Sharma <[email protected]> wrote:
> Respected Garg sir, > > I have just examined the live plants and i will say our species is only > Sageretia thea based on the following observations - > Inflorescence long spike which is as much as 2-3 times longer than length > of subtending leaf, having flowers 20 to more than 30 with occasionally > more than one flower at some floral nodes. > Leaves abaxially pubescent more hairy along midrib and veins , abaxially > glabrous > Young branches minutely pubescent, bracteoles generally three dried, > brown and fragile. > Also i am unable to see any demarcating line between ovary and style > present in S.devendrae. > > Following FoP i feel Sageretia thea is highly polymorphic sp. and > variation occurs in leaves shape and crenation also the bracteoles are > soft, self broken and are intact in only few flowers. Please see comment on > this sp. in FoP > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250075379 > > So it must be only Sageretia thea atleast for now... > I have attached some closeup fresh images to make it easier... > > Best regards > Ashutosh Sharma > > On Fri 21 Aug, 2020, 4:20 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 22:00, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Ashutosh ji. >>> Best wishes for your successful trip. >>> >>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 20:48, Ashutosh Sharma < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Respected Garg ji, >>>> >>>> Sorry for delayed reply, i have studied and photographed specimens in >>>> detail though i haven't compared with keys in that paper.... >>>> >>>> Actually i am in field currently at higher elevations with limited >>>> network access and will be only back only by near mid August. >>>> So will post detailed analysis thereafter.... >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>> >>>> On Thu 23 Jul, 2020, 12:11 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Ashutosh ji, >>>>> Did you check with the publication ? >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 13:50, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 21:25, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 20:41, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did you check with *S. hamosa *and >>>>>>>> * S. filiformis ?* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Ashutosh Sharma < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Respected Garg ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the provided key it is mentioned that leaf length is less than >>>>>>>>> 2cm in S.thea >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But i don't agree with this i myself just checked leaves of my >>>>>>>>> above shared plants but they are reaching upto 5/6cm long and 3cm >>>>>>>>> wide at >>>>>>>>> maturity/base >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moreover similar size is mentioned in other efloras ie.FoP and FoC >>>>>>>>> also and this species is highly polymorphic in pubescence, dentation >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> size of leaf... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As Rawat sir has provided the key so i feel rest of it is correct, >>>>>>>>> as of now i don't have experience with other sp. so can't say but >>>>>>>>> will try >>>>>>>>> to find more species and compare in near future... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat 4 Jul, 2020, 12:23 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here are the keys sent by Rawat ji, in another thread, Just >>>>>>>>>> have a look: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Key to *Sageretia* species in Uttakhand: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *1A*: Inflorescence a spike >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *2A*: Spike oblong, as long as or double the length of petiole >>>>>>>>>> of the subtending leaf (less than 1/3 the subtending leaf lamina); >>>>>>>>>> flowers up to 12 in >>>>>>>>>> number....................................................*S. >>>>>>>>>> santapaui* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *2B*: Spike linear, more or less equalling subtending leaf >>>>>>>>>> lamina or sometimes smaller, but never less than ½ the length of >>>>>>>>>> subtending >>>>>>>>>> leaf; flowers 15-25 in number .................................*S. >>>>>>>>>> devendrae* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *1B*: Inflorescence a panicle >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *3A*: Leaf length less than 2.0 >>>>>>>>>> cm......................................................................................*S. >>>>>>>>>> thea* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *3B*: Leaf length more than 2.5 cm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *4A*: Abaxial leaf surface and petiole glabrous or sparsely >>>>>>>>>> hairy, especially in axil of veins; inflorescence spicate panicle >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> fascicled >>>>>>>>>> flowers..................................................*S. >>>>>>>>>> hamosa* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *4B*: Petiole and adaxial surface of leaves pubescent or >>>>>>>>>> tomentose on veins; inflorescence a panicle with racemose branches >>>>>>>>>> ............................................................................................*S. >>>>>>>>>> filiformis* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 12:17, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Ashutosh ji, for the wonderful images. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 12:05, Ashutosh Sharma < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Respected members, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sageretia thea >>>>>>>>>>>> Common Name - Chinese Sweet Plum >>>>>>>>>>>> Family - Rhamnaceae >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is native small shrub species with edible fruits found >>>>>>>>>>>> across Western Himalayas... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From Bajaura, Kullu district, Himachal Pradesh Elevation -1100m >>>>>>>>>>>> asl >>>>>>>>>>>> Photographed in June/July 2019 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKvkLjm%2BApeu3Ps7CbLZjFxteD%2BKjNr2CrmvJzXa2h8OrA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKvkLjm%2BApeu3Ps7CbLZjFxteD%2BKjNr2CrmvJzXa2h8OrA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>> e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> >>>>>>>>>>> (largest >>>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on >>>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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