Interesting discussion Tabish Ji.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 7:26 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks, Tabish ji
>
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> With regards,
> J. M. Garg
>
> On Thu, 3 Sep, 2020, 10:08 pm Tabish, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Garg ji for bringing this up. Ten years back, my identification
>> was based on Polunin & Stainton which mentions *Scrophularia elatior* as
>> distributed from Uttar Pradesh (now Uttarakhand) to Bhutan, at altitudes of
>> 1600-3000 m. It makes no mention of *Scrophularia himalensis*. But now
>> it turns out that these two species have been quite mixed up in the
>> literature. Flora of China and Annotated Checklist of the Flowering Plants
>> of Nepal mention *Scrophularia elatior* but do not mention *Scrophularia
>> himalensis*. On the other hand Flora of Bhutan does mention *S.
>> himalense*. The result is that POWO shows distribution of *Scrophularia
>> himalensis* as West and East Himalaya, leaving out Nepal, which looks a
>> bit strange. *There is no key available which involves both the species.*
>> To make matters worse, a detailed description of *Scrophularia
>> himalensis* is difficult to find. Pennell's description is not
>> sufficient. As always, falling back on Flora of British India, makes things
>> clearer to me. It mentions S. eliator from Nepal eastwards, and mentions S.
>> himalensis with eastern limit as Kumaun.
>>    So, I will assume that the plants from Dhanaulti are *Scrophularia
>> himalensis*. I will not be surprised if in future I find that these two
>> species have been merged. :-)
>>   Best wishes
>>   Tabish
>>
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>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:30 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Tabish ji,
>>> I think images of Tabish ji of Scrophularia elatior in FOI
>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Tall%20Figwort.html>,
>>> should be of Scrophularia himalensis
>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/scrophulariaceae/scrophularia/scrophularia-himalensis>
>>>  as
>>> per images and details herein.
>>> Scrophularia elatior also does not have range in the area as per Catalogue
>>> of Life
>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/a94edd8272993bfdded166f89a2a98c8>
>>> and POWO
>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:809167-1>
>>> .
>>> Pl. correct.
>>> --
>>> With regards,
>>> J.M.Garg
>>>
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