Gentiana crassuloides Bureau & Franch. ??

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 10:08:27 AM UTC+5:45 JM Garg wrote:

> Thanks, Chadwell ji
>
> On 7 Dec 2016 2:38 am, "[email protected]" <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Gentiana (and now related genera) is a difficult genus, as I have said 
>> previously.
>>
>>
>> Distinguishing between G.carinata and similar species is complicated.   
>> What a pity that Gentian specialist Aitken at Edinburgh is no longer 
>> available to resolve such matters for us.  
>>
>> Stewart (back in 1972) recorded G.carinata from 2400-3600m in Kashmir and 
>> var. intermedia Clarke from Sonamrag and Suru/Zanskar in Ladakh (also 
>> 2400-3600m).
>>
>> I have seen what MIGHT be G.carinata on many occasions in Kashmir.  He 
>> observed that G.carinata proper was said to have fimbriae in the throat 
>> whilst the var. intermedia does not.  Stansfield of Liverpool said 
>> G.carinata has versatile anthers whilst they are basifixed in G.coronata.   
>> Clearly, such characteristics cannot be observed in normal photos of 
>> gentians.
>>
>> Apparently, at Kew a great many specimens from Kashmir and adjacent areas 
>> are in a cover Gentiana coronata (D.Don ex Royle) DC. but Stewart did not 
>> consider them to match the plant figured by Royle.  Burkill stated that the 
>> type was in too bad a condition for use.
>>
>> *Stewart found the G.marginata, G.carinata, G.coronata group very 
>> difficult and in his opinion needed more study.*
>>
>> *I cannot readily check if Aitken at Edinburgh had satisfactorily 
>> resolved such matters?  I do not know if the characteristics 'Flowers of 
>> Himalaya' use to distinguish between G.carinata and G.marginata are 
>> authoritative?*
>>
>> *At some stage, I would like to take a serious look at Gentianaceae of NW 
>> Himalaya but this is quite a challenge and have yet to find the time to 
>> focus properly on the family.   SO many other genera belonging to other 
>> families also urgently need attention (indeed revision).  So many families 
>> and genera are poorly known in the Himalaya.*
>>
>>
>> *Certainly more photos in good close-ups showing detail of the corolla, 
>> throat of flowers and calyx-lobes would help.*
>>
>>
>> *Cannot comment further at this stage.  *
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2011 at 7:32:56 AM UTC+1, raj wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> Gentianaceae Sp for ID from Gulmarg, Kashmir
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> With Regards,
>>> Narendra Joshi
>>>
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