Accepted name is: Richteria pyrethroides Kar. & Kir. Thank you
Saroj Kasaju On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:22 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > Difficult for me ! > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 2:39 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> GBIF <http://www.gbif.org/species/5397935> gives Type specimen links of >> *Pyrethrum >> pyrethroides *(Kar. & Kir.) B.Fedtsch. ex Krasch. (syn:Chrysanthemum >> artemisiifolium Klatt <http://www.gbif.org/species/3125844>; Chrysanthemum >> pyrethroides (Kar. & Kir.) B.Fedtsch. >> <http://www.gbif.org/species/3150764>; Chrysanthemum richteria Benth. >> <http://www.gbif.org/species/3125846> ; Chrysanthemum richteria Benth. >> ex Hook.f. <http://www.gbif.org/species/7471451> ; Pyrethrum >> pyrethroides (Kar. & Kir.) B.Fedtsch. >> <http://www.gbif.org/species/8707627>; Richteria pyrethroides Kar. & Kir. >> <http://www.gbif.org/species/5389430>; Tanacetum pyrethroides (Kar. & >> Kir.) Muradyan <http://www.gbif.org/species/7412002>; Tanacetum >> pyrethroides (Kar. & Kir.) Muradyan <http://www.gbif.org/species/7412002>; >> Tanacetum pyrethroides (Kar. & Kir.) Sch.Bip. >> <http://www.gbif.org/species/7792357>) as below: >> >> Link 1 >> <http://collections.nmnh.si.edu/search/botany/?ark=ark:/65665/30e7f496c2e4646cab5da311489d5766b> >> (*Chrysanthemum artemisiifolium *Klatt) >> Link 2 >> <http://biocase.snsb.info/wrapper/querytool/details.cgi?dsa=BSMvplantscoll&detail=unit&wrapper_url=http://biocase.snsb.info/wrapper/pywrapper.cgi?dsa=BSMvplantscoll&schema=http://www.tdwg.org/schemas/abcd/2.06&col=BSMvplantscoll&cat=M-0030210%20/%20178099%20/%20120204> >> (*Richteria pyrethroides *Kar. & Kir.) >> >> If we go by the type specimen at Gbif our posted plant is *Pyrethrum >> pyrethroides *(Kar. & Kir.) B.Fedtsch. ex Krasch. >> >> >> On 27 September 2016 at 08:11, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Chris ji, for all this research. >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> >>> Date: 26 Sep 2016 23:24 >>> Subject: Fw: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:251806] SK110SEP21-2016:ID >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> >>> Dear Mr Garg >>> >>> I came across Dr Singh's suggestion of *Tanacetum stoliczkae* >>> (.B.Clarke) R.Khan. >>> See: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/ljktVm__5TE. >>> At that time it was decided the photos were of *C.pyrethroides.* >>> >>> This is an accepted name which gives a link to two pressed specimens at >>> Kew - both of which have handwritten >>> comments by C.B.Clarke saying he had made mistakes identification-wise, >>> which >>> "got past" Hooker and thus presumably into 'Flora of British India'. N*ote >>> spelling at that time of C.stoliczkai Clarke* >>> >>> Clarke comments about misidentifying the specimen collected at Kargil ; >>> the other location marked on the first specimen >>> is Patseo, Lahoul. >>> >>> I have taken a look at Hooker's FBI - he includes only two 'species' but >>> remarks on similarity between *C.stoliczkai* and *C.griffithii.* >>> see: http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/13816#page/318/mode/1up >>> and http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/13816#page/319/mode/1up >>> >>> >>> *Khan's name comes after Stewart's Catalogue but Stewart does not >>> include C.stoliczkai Clarke only C,stoliczkai Hk.f. (non Clarke)* >>> *as a synonym for C.griffithii.* >>> >>> There are links to: >>> >>> >>> http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Asteraceae/Tanacetum_stoliczkae.htm >>> This has been determined by Dickore >>> >>> >>> http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Asteraceae/Tanacetum_pyrethroides.html >>> >>> So how do these relate to *T.griffithii*? >>> >>> The Plant List for Tanacetum does not have T.griffithii but does have >>> T.richterioides >>> see: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/gcc-125471 but gives no >>> synonyms nor pressed specimens at Kew but >>> when one searches for Kew specimens, often out-of-date names are used, >>> especially for 19th century specimens, >>> so unless one knows the synonyms, they can be missed. >>> >>> *I had missed that Dickore & Klimes have T.stoliczkae in their >>> check-list for Ladakh - so we now have* >>> *'species' to consider or perhaps 'taxa' would be more accurate.* >>> >>> *I have just seen that Klimes found T.stolickae on stony slopes, among >>> boulders, scree in one part of what he describes* >>> *as Lower laadkh. saying it is endemic to the Indus valley **of Ladakh >>> and closely related to T.baltistanicum Podlech (syn. T.gilgitii R.Khan) >>> from Gilgit, Hunza and Baltistan. This means he Dickore does not accept >>> the specimen from Patseo is T.stoliczkae.* >>> >>> Tanacetum baltistanicum does not appear to be an accepted name on 'The >>> Plant List' - nor T.gilgitii..... >>> >>> *Oh dear, it gets worse!! No mention of how to separate T.stolickae >>> from T.grifithii.....* >>> >>> *May be impossible to sort out this muddle without being able to examine >>> pressed specimens of collections closely.* >>> >>> *That is more than enough for the moment - so much for trying to help >>> sort things out....* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> SLOUGH >>> SL3 8BE >>> UK >>> >>> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 September 2016, 12:02 >>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:251806] SK110SEP21-2016:ID >>> >>> Thanks, Chadwell ji, >>> With great difficulty I could find two images of *Spathipappus* >>> *griffithii* (C.B.Clarke) Tzvelev synonym >>> <http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/about/#synonym> of *Tanacetum >>> griffithii *(C.B.Clarke) Muradyan >>> <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/gcc-19601> as below: >>> http://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/118613.html >>> http://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/118711.html >>> Pl. have a look. >>> >>> Images of *Pyrethrum pyrethroides *are a bit common on net. Pl. have a >>> look at the following links: >>> http://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/150914.html >>> http://www.holubec.wbs.cz/10-2013-Kazakhstan-Kyrgyzstan.html >>> http://www.track.kz/flora.htm >>> >>> In view I am leaning more towards *Tanacetum griffithii *(C.B.Clarke) >>> Muradyan <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/gcc-19601> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 24 September 2016 at 12:10, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, Chadwell ji, for in depth views. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: *C CHADWELL* >>> Date: 24 September 2016 at 11:24 >>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:251806] SK110SEP21-2016:ID >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Forgot to mention that just to complicate things further, the genus >>> *Richteria* is >>> also applied to these plants. >>> >>> Yoshioka in 'Himalayan Plants Illustrated' uses *Richteria pyrethroides* >>> (syn. >>> *Chrysanthemum pyrethroides*). >>> >>> What a game! And so muddling for many..... >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> SLOUGH >>> SL3 8BE >>> UK >>> >>> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> *To:* efloraofindia <mailto:[email protected] >>> <[email protected]>> >>> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, 24 September 2016, 4:30 >>> *Subject:* Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:251806] SK110SEP21-2016:ID >>> >>> Thanks, Chadwell ji. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: *C CHADWELL* >>> Date: 24 September 2016 at 00:43 >>> Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:251806] SK110SEP21-2016:ID >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> A number of nomenclatural and taxonomic changes have taken place with >>> this plant. >>> >>> There are two species to consider, although 'Flowers of the Himalaya' >>> incorrectly >>> say only 1 (they used the genus *Chrysanthemum)*. >>> >>> Stewart lists *Chrysanthemum pyrethroides* as very common in the dry >>> inner mountains. >>> He also listed *C.griffithii*. >>> >>> At one point these species were included within the genus *Pyrethrum* >>> (Stewart lists these >>> names as synonyms). >>> >>> He observes about *Chrysanthemum* and *Tanacetum*, "The specialists >>> differ so much in their >>> treatment of this assemblage of plants that in making a check-list it is >>> difficult to know who to follow. >>> Rechinger places Pyrethrum and Tanacetum under Chrysanthemum. Kitamura >>> does the same. >>> Hooker placed the pretty rayed types in *Chrysanthemum* and the >>> disciform headed plants with small >>> flowers., usually corymbose, he placed in Tanacetum. Clapham says that >>> Tanacetum differs in the >>> apparent absence of ray florets, the marginal female florets having >>> ligules so short they appear +/- tubular >>> like hermaphrodite central florets"...... >>> >>> I am no specialist not taxonomist! I really how troublesome and >>> confusing all these changes are for most people. >>> >>> *Anyhow, Dickore & Klimes, included these species under Tanacetum - they >>> have 7 other species, which look* >>> *very different to these!* >>> >>> *So can we readily tell these two species apart? * It is complicated >>> by, as Stewart says, there is a great >>> difference in the amount of pubescence in *Tanacetum pyrethroides* >>> (which he knew as *C.pyrethroides*) - >>> some being sub-glabrous, others white hoary. >>> >>> >>> *For the present, I am uncertain how to distinguish between >>> T.pyrethroides and T.griffithii but think your plant* >>> *must surely be one of these.* >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> SLOUGH >>> SL3 8BE >>> UK >>> >>> http://www.shpa.org.uk/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> *To:* efloraofindia <mailto:[email protected] >>> <[email protected]>> >>> *Cc:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Friday, 23 September 2016, 9:11 >>> *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:251806] SK110SEP21-2016:ID >>> >>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> >>> Date: 21 September 2016 at 18:09 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:251806] SK110SEP21-2016:ID >>> To: efloraofindia <mailto:[email protected] >>> <[email protected]>>, "J.M. 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