Anthocephalus cadamba On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> Forwarding again for ID > Distributed as Neolamarckia cadamba ? > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/rubiaceae/neolamarckia/neolamarckia-cadamba-1> > > Group discussion at > Large Leaf tree Sapling Is it Tectona Grandis? UD 8212011 002 > (google.com) > <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Z0iMJOtguWQ/m/lII8fEPCctsJ> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2011 at 6:24:27 PM UTC+5:30 Ushadi wrote: > >> Dear Mr. Garg and All: >> >> I am not convinced its THE KADAMBA tree with a normal Genetic code..... >> I personally think it may have be a genetic malformation of it.. >> >> UPDATE... about month after these pictures were taken... the leaves >> became brown, withered and drooped down, didn't have a camera so no pics >> ... and next day when I went back to take pictures the KMC folks hd cut >> down the tree so no pics... I have meant to update this thread... >> >> I wish I had stopped and taken samples from the stem to preserve for >> genetic analysis.... but I was too much of a rush and had no camera with >> me... and next day I was so much shocked that I did not go near the >> stump... I should have and taken a piece then... but I learned a >> lesson... In future I will act better than be a silent spectator and >> grieve at the death of a promising life form... >> >> GOING BACK TO KADAMBA trees... see my detailed pictures above... >> >> This sapling had two feet long and almost 18 inches wide leaf... never >> seen something like that...in a kadamba... >> >> Although the leaf size seems to be quite variable... in Kadamba trees in >> Kolkata... >> >> I find that that the ones with flowers have the smallest leaves (5-6 ") >> of all Kadambas I see on streets of Kolkata, the flowerless "kadamba" trees >> have somewhat larger ( up to 9" ) darker leaves... >> different species???? >> >> === >> >> If this sapling was a kadamba... spontaneous dying off was perhaps akin >> to a deformed human (or any mammalian) foetus aborting itself due to >> genetic malformations or genetic chemical variability so much so that the >> survival of the newborn life would be unsustainable... since mother >> nature repeats pattenrs and processes ... its the only explanation I can >> think of that makes sense to me... >> >> other reason could be environmental.. that the pavement where it was >> growing could not have sustained it... >> >> >> GARG JI : If its filed under kadamba in our website... it should have a >> note that it was most likely a genetic malformation and similar sapling(s) >> when discovered would need genetic studies... >> Thanks ... >> Usha di >> >> *PS I dont doubt Neil and HS's diagnosis , but am bothered by the >> uniqueness of its leaf size.. and I thank you both for your help...* >> >> if it was not planted as the locals claimed that it was spontaneous >> sprouting... then the seeds from the mother tree where it flew out from >> must have also sprouted in the neighborhood... I have crisscrossed the >> street and gone to every park .. and green grass patch in about a 8 - 10 >> block area.. have not seen a single kadamba sapling, let alone a one with >> such large leaves... >> ===== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:36 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *yes, Neolamarckia cadamba* >>> >>> >>> *regards,* >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:19 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>> >>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>> >>>> “Negative. This is >>>> *Kadam [Neolamarckia cadamba]. * Regards, >>>> Neil Soares.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “Dear Neil, with such large leaves... >>>> >>>> there is a kadam tree here, leaves are about 6,7,or 8 inches long at >>>> the most... >>>> but this one has 30 inches long leaves??? >>>> >>>> Usha di >>>> ====” >>>> >>>> " Have encountered such variations. Please go and check the tree again. >>>> Regards, >>>> Neil Soares." >>>> >>>> "Dear Neil: I have a great deal of respect for your diagnostic >>>> abilities... >>>> and I had indeed doubts about my suspected idea... because of the leaf >>>> shape, color and NO redness when rubbed...... >>>> BUT .... the size of the leaves throws me..still.. >>>> AND I took the pictures on 15th August... nothing would have changed in >>>> these 6 says... >>>> But yes I will go back in a months time and take more pictures... and >>>> I'll repeat it till is fully grown...over the years... would be a nice >>>> project... >>>> This may be an interesting fact ...in the life history of Kadam... may >>>> be saplings' first leaves are humongous to manufacture as much food as >>>> quickly as possible and grow fast.... till its higher // closer to the >>>> sun... this sapling apprantly grew sooo tall in the span of three >>>> months... >>>> May be we need a section of "Pediatric Biology " in Botany... growth >>>> patterns and anatomy of saplings... which may be very different than the >>>> mature tree.... ha ha .. >>>> Usha di >>>> ===" >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 21 August 2011 21:21 >>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:77843] Large Leaf tree Sapling Is it Tectona >>>> Grandis? UD 8212011 002 >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear All: >>>> >>>> On 14th August zipping by on this street on the way to post office I >>>> noticed these humongous leaves... >>>> thought it might be Tectona Grandis.... >>>> Next day went back and took pictures and talked to the local folks who >>>> run tea stalls and some Bhujia shops on the sidewalk (only they were >>>> around to talk to ) , one of the guys said it grew very fast... this height >>>> see figure 1, was achieved in just 3 months.... some branches had come out >>>> near the ground which he said he cut them off... some others said it was >>>> a kadam gachh (gachh = tree in bengali) ... >>>> sure!!! dont beleive it!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> The leaves are very large... 1.5 feet wide by 2.5 feet long... I >>>> measured it... see figures 2 and 3... to me the leaf shape just does not >>>> match what I remember as tectona grandis.... am confused... >>>> >>>> I rubbed the leaf underside, even wetted it with saliva..and rubbed ... >>>> no red color developed... see figure 6, the white arrows surround the >>>> wetted rubbed surface, you can still see a little shine?... of cource its >>>> the lower leaf ... not the uppermost "young leaf"... but in the past no >>>> matter which leaf I tested on already identified Teconia grandis, I got the >>>> red color, in Bengal, Gujarat, Bihar and even in USA.. at a botanical >>>> Garden ... >>>> >>>> Currently there are no branches... >>>> >>>> The tree came up on its own.. in harsh broken stony fragments >>>> containing soil... see figure..7. >>>> >>>> Date/Time- 8/15/2011 >>>> >>>> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- Sea level or slightly below it, Ganges >>>> plain , Streets of Kolkata,. >>>> >>>> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- came up on its own per local >>>> history >>>> >>>> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Tree >>>> >>>> Height/Length- Sapling about 10 feet or 11 feet >>>> >>>> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- very large, 2.5 by 1.5 foot ( foot, not >>>> inches) >>>> >>>> Inflorescence Type/ Size- NONE yet >>>> >>>> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- NA >>>> >>>> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-NA >>>> >>>> Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- NA >>>> >>>> NA= not applicable >>>> >>>> >>>> Please help..... >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Usha di >>>> >>>> === >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/ >>>> wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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