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On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 10:40:15 PM UTC+5:30 tchakrab wrote: > Chadwell ji, > Thank you very much for your kind reply. > Yours sincerely, > Tapas. > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 6:15 PM, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Tapas >> >> Unfortunately, this is a challenging genus and requires serious >> investigation. I have literally dozens of genera >> waiting for my attention to scrutinize them further. The situation is >> complicated by me having fewer reference works to-hand >> and less knowledge/familiarity with the flora of the Eastern Himalaya. >> >> As to the suggestion A.laciniatum it seems this is no longer an accepted >> name according to 'The Plant List'. Currently >> under *A.heterophylloides*. According to 'Flora of Bhutan' this species >> is found on grassy alpine slopes and among shrubs @ 3500- >> 4570m in Sikkim & Bhutan. >> >> I cannot readily access reliable images or shots of herbarium specimens >> of this species. >> >> Will be in touch when can devote the necessary time and concentration to >> this or come across a fresh source of information. >> >> I see nobody else has volunteered any suggestions. >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> www.shpa.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >> > *To:* C CHADWELL <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* J. M. Garg <[email protected]>; efloraofindia < >> [email protected]> >> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 1 November 2016, 5:20 >> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:254056] Re: Aconitum heterophyllum [?] >> (Ranunculaceae) from North Sikkim. >> > >> There is a new suggestion - Aconitum laciniatum >> >> On Oct 19, 2016 00:10, "Tapas Chakrabarty" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thank you once again Sir. >> Regards, >> Tapas. >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Sir, >> Thank you. >> The photograph was taken from a plant near Thangu, North Sikkim at about >> 4000 m altitude. >> This key belongs to an unpublished manuscript on the Flora of Sikkim and >> the family Ranunculaceae is authored by R. C. Srivastava, ex Scientist of >> Botanical Survey of India. >> it is indeed well known that the keys to the taxa of certain plant >> families should be prepared by supplementary field observations as well. >> Regards, >> Tapas. >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 8:08 PM, C CHADWELL <[email protected] >> om> wrote: >> >> Dear Tapas >> >> Thanks for sending the key. Would you let me know which publication this >> comes from? >> >> *Would you also please provide an approx. altitude and general location >> where you took your photos?* >> *Such information is important and should always accompany any images of >> any genus sent for* >> *identification.* >> >> I do have the key in 'Flora of Bhutan' Vol 1 Part 2 (1984), which covers >> Sikkim as well but clearly the knowledge >> of the genus in the E.Himalaya has advanced since then. >> >> *One must always use keys with caution. They are difficult to prepare >> and inevitably imperfect. They can* >> *serve a useful purpose in narrowing down the most likely candidates but >> even so.* >> >> *A major problem is that most are mostly prepared from a limited number >> of dried, pressed herbarium specimens -* >> *the characteristics of living/fresh specimens is often not known by >> herbarium taxonomists.* >> >> *The detail one can see in photos - not matter how close-up they are (and >> yours are not) is often inadequate* >> *and/or requires inspect of both flowers and fruit, which seldom are >> available together.* >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> www.shpa.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >> *To:* >> *Cc:* efloraofindia <[email protected] m>; J.M. Garg < >> [email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 October 2016, 9:04 >> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:254056] Re: Aconitum heterophyllum [?] >> (Ranunculaceae) from North Sikkim. >> >> Thank you Chadwell ji, >> There are 12 species of Aconitum recorded for Sikkim. I have no knowledge >> in this group. >> Someone gave me a Key to the species in Sikkim which I am furnishing >> below thinking that it may be of some use. >> Regards, >> Tapas. >> >> 1a. >> Climbing or twining herbs >> 2. *A. elwesiii* >> >> b. >> Erect herbs >> 2 >> 2a. >> Annual herbs with slender tap roots; carpels 9 – >> 12 5. *A. gymnandrum* >> b. >> Perennial or biennial herbs, usually with a paired tap root; carpels 3 – >> 5 (-8) 3 >> 3a. >> Inflorescences 1 – 4-flowered >> 10. *A. naviculare* >> b. >> Inflorescences many-flowered >> 4 >> 4a. >> Perennial herbs >> 11. *A. novoluridum* >> b. >> Biennial herbs >> 5 >> 5a. >> Petals hispid or hispidulous >> 6 >> b. >> Petals glabrous >> 9 >> 6a. >> Carpels glabrous, drying black >> 4. *A. gammiei* >> b. >> Carpels pubescent >> 7 >> 7a. >> Carpels 3 (-4 – 5) >> 8. *A. laciniatum* >> b. >> Carpels 5 >> 8 >> 8a. >> Uppermost sepal horizontal, conspicuously beaked; carpels densely yellow >> velutinous >> >> 9. *A. nakaoi* >> >> >> b. >> Uppermost sepal oblique, shortly beaked; carpels sparsely pubescent to >> glabrous >> >> 6. *A. heterophylloides* >> 9a. >> Carpels glabrous >> 1. *A. bisma* >> >> b. >> Carpels pubescent >> 10 >> >> 10a. >> Leaves from hypogynous base of stem >> 7. *A. hookeri* >> >> b. >> Leaves basal and cauline >> 11 >> >> 11a. >> Bracteoles linear, entire; flowers dirty blue; petal head *ca *6 mm >> long 3. *A. ferox* >> >> b. >> Bracteoles broad, dentate; flowers deep blue; petal head *ca *10 mm >> long >> 12. *A. spicatum* >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:12 PM, [email protected] m >> <[email protected] >> om> wrote: >> >> I can say with certainty that this is definitely not *Aconitum >> heterophyllu*m - a species not found in the E.Himalaya. I had delayed >> in sending an initial response in hope that some else would name it! >> >> My knowledge of Eastern Himalayan flora is much less with relatively few >> plant explorations in the region. I have not been into Sikkim proper. >> >> Aconitum is not an easy genus; I see there are a number of images of >> specimens of this genus photographed in Sikkim on efi site which have not >> be identified yet. *Another task awaiting to take a close look at all >> these!* Clearly there is no expert on the genus currently available? >> There are quite a number of species to consider. I could say it was >> similar to one or two species but need time to look into the E.Himalayan >> representatives further. Some 20+ species recorded from Bhutan & Sikkim - >> though one can readily eliminate most of these. >> >> Shall wait further just in case there is anyone out there who can come to >> our assistance? >> >> >> On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 6:05:01 PM UTC+1, tchakrab wrote: >> >> Kindly look at the attachments. 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