---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Hanno Schaefer <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 at 22:35 Subject: AW: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
Thank you! Yes, I think we can be sure that it is *Schizopepon bicirrhosus* (C.B. Clarke) C. Jeffrey. Based on the determination key for the genus by Lu An-Ming and Charles Jeffrey, the only species with a conical fruit are *S. bicirrhosus*, *S. xizangensis* and *S. bomiensis*. Of those three species, *S. xizangensis* and *S. bomiensis* have 5-lobed leaves, while the leaf of *S. bicirrhosus* is described as "irregularly dentate, apex caudate-acuminate", which fits nicely your plant. Further, the fruit of *S. bomiensis* is described as glabrous, while the one of *S. bicirrhosus* is white pubescent (and this can be seen on your pictures). In the key, they report *S. bicirrhosus* from N India (I guess Assam & Sikkim), Bhutan, Tibet and Myanmar. So Nepal makes definitely sense. According to the checklist of the flora of Nepal, the genus *Schizopepon* has not yet been found in the country: http://www.efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=110&start_taxon_id=10233 But I am not sure if this is true. If you want, I can ask my colleague Mark Watson at Botanical Garden Edinburg in Scotland, who works on a Flora of Nepal and should know the answer. Best Hanno Schaefer ------------------------------ *Von:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 30. Januar 2021 17:38:29 *An:* J.M. Garg *Cc:* Hanno Schaefer *Betreff:* Re: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae And it is not yet recorded for Nepal, is it Dr. Schaefer ? Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 10:15 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > Some images of dry fruits shot today by Mr. Neupane ! Would it help to > validate ID Dr. Schaefer? > > Thank you. > Saroj Kasaju > > On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 9:47 am, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thank you Dr. Shaefer, >> I shall try to collect specimen this season and coordinate with you ! We >> have no distribution so far for this sp. >> Thank you >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 9:37 am, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, Hanno ji >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J. M. Garg >>> >>> On Fri, 29 Jan, 2021, 2:36 am Hanno Schaefer, <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Great - thank you very much! >>>> >>>> The fruit on the photographs is conical and not rounded. This is why I >>>> think it is probably Schizopepon bicirrhosus and not S. bryoniifolius. >>>> >>>> See the key to the species here: >>>> >>>> http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF19/Schizopepon.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Hanno Schaefer >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *Von:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2021 16:20:15 >>>> *An:* J.M. Garg >>>> *Cc:* Hanno Schaefer >>>> *Betreff:* Re: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae >>>> >>>> It is ok to use the image. Credit should be given to Mr. Basu dev >>>> Neupane, Nepal. >>>> By the way is it more close to Schizopepon bryoniifolius Maxim. >>>> <https://www.gbif.org/species/3623060> ??\ >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 6:20 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Hanno ji. >>>>> Hi, Saroj ji, >>>>> May I request you to pl. give necessary permission. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 15:22, Hanno Schaefer <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You are welcome – I am always happy to see cucurbit pics. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you think I can use one of these *Schizopepon* photographs for >>>>>> the Cucurbitaceae website (www.cucurbit.de)? (Of course I would >>>>>> indicate the photographer’s name.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no good fruit pictures of *Schizopepon* so far and it would >>>>>> help others with identification. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Hanno >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Date: *Thursday 28 January 2021 10:07 >>>>>> *To: *Hanno Schaefer <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Cc: *Susanne Renner <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot, Hanno ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 12:56, Hanno Schaefer <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Very nice photographs! >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a female plant of *Schizopepon* in Cucurbitaceae. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 3-valved conical fruit, bifid tendrils and dioecious sex system >>>>>> are typical. >>>>>> >>>>>> The genus name points to the conspicuous dehiscent (splitting) >>>>>> fruits. Chakravarty (1959) describes the fruit as “trivalved from apex to >>>>>> base, valve involute and elastically dehiscing the seeds”. >>>>>> >>>>>> To identify the species, I would need a herbarium specimen, it’s >>>>>> difficult from photographs… maybe *Schizopepon bicirrhosus* (C.B. >>>>>> Clarke) C. Jeffrey. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Hanno Schaefer >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Date: *Thursday 28 January 2021 07:38 >>>>>> *To: *Hanno Schaefer <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject: *Fwd: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> May I request you to pl. help us with the id of this one. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 11:43 >>>>>> Subject: Fwd: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: Lalithamba Avadhanam <[email protected]>, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>> [email protected]>, Anil Thakur <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>> >>>>>> I could not get any idea as to the genus as per comparative images at >>>>>> Cucurbitaceae <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/10/cucurbitaceae/> >>>>>> >>>>>> May I request somebody to pl. help. - from me >>>>>> >>>>>> To me it looks Marah species/ echinocystis or its nearest ally >>>>>> >>>>>> The three-parted capsule reminds me of Ipomoea- from Dr. Sussane >>>>>> Renner >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not Ipomoea sp. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Dr. Renner! >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Just s guess >>>>>> >>>>>> Can it be some Cyclanthera sp. ?- from Anil ji >>>>>> >>>>>> Did not find a match! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Anil Ji ! >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> I guessed as Cyclanthera on the basis of characteristic splitting >>>>>> pattern of the fruits. Maybe some newly introduced species. Kindly >>>>>> compare with all the species given at POWO or some other international >>>>>> >>>>>> database.- from Anil ji >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes Anil Ji. I checked all listed from POWO ! Shall do once again! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: *Saroj Kasaju* <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 at 12:23 >>>>>> Subject: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae >>>>>> To: efloraindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Location: Central Nepal >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: November >>>>>> >>>>>> Altitude: 1850m. >>>>>> >>>>>> Habitat : Wild >>>>>> >>>>>> These images are from my friend and seeking ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> -- >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> > -- > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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