Forwarding for ID Distributed as Calanthe natural hybrid- Munnar, Kerala <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/orchidaceae/calanthe/calanthe-species/munnar> Group discussion at ID Request- Munnar-PKA1 (google.com) <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/dzfXaNyZyHc>
On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 9:48:39 AM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > Thanks, Pankaj ji and Ushadi for this wonderful discussion. > > On Sun 23 Sep, 2018, 10:09 AM Pankaj Kumar, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Because when I see the characters then I can make out that its not any of >> the existing species. So first thought is, it could be a new species. >> Second guess with the colour and morphological characters I can guess that >> it could be a hybrid. Third question is if hybrid, then who are parents? >> All hybrids have mixture of characters from both parents, usually. Then I >> know what two species are found in that region and sort out one by one. >> On the other hand, if this plant produces fruits and seeds and seeds give >> plants same as this one which are able to set seeds and produce plant same >> as this, then they can be considered as a new species. >> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 at 11:57, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Pankaj >>> thank you >>> i love the 1929 Nature report of the meeting or the debate. they were so >>> very open and literate about their subjects. >>> >>> my real question was >>> how does Pankaj know its a natural hybrid of Calante triplicata and >>> sylvatica (masuca). >>> >>> so now i will answer my own question: >>> 1. Pankaj must know these two orchids occur in the same general vicinity >>> 2. same pollinator visits them >>> 3 Pankaj knows these orchids so well that he recognizes their features >>> in a hybrid >>> >>> and so it behooves someone to follow these plants up and see if fruits >>> develop >>> and subsequent progeny starts a new species? >>> so Prashant you have a big job now. >>> >>> >>> but before heroic efforts of traveling back to munnar etc ..... >>> is this inference correct? >>> >>> usha di >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Natural hybrids are those plants that appear due to hybridization >>>> naturally, which happens when two or more compatible species co-occurrence >>>> in the same habitat and are cross pollinated by similar or same vectors. >>>> Not uncommon in orchids. This is how speciation also occurs, that is, new >>>> species are established. Also occur among animals like one of my friend >>>> worked on natural hybridization between domestic chicken and wild red >>>> jungle fowl in India. >>>> Artificial hybrids are obviously produced by human being by crossing >>>> two different species or even genera. Usually they will register it with >>>> the authority at Royal Horticulture Society for example for orchids, >>>> Singapore Botanic Garden for Gingers etc. >>>> Whether natural or artificial, one crucial issue is if the offsprings >>>> of the hybrids can produce fruits and seeds and if those seeds are able to >>>> produce plants identical to the hybrid parents. In most cases, they are >>>> not. >>>> You will be surprised to know that there are only around 28000 orchid >>>> species in the world but around 150,000 - 200,000 orchid hybrids in the >>>> world. >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids some animals >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 at 01:36, Ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> intriguing phrase: a natural hybrid >>>>> >>>>> what is it >>>>> how does one know or differentiate from a lab created hybrid? >>>>> >>>>> thanks in advance , pankaj >>>>> usha di >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes we already chatted, This i think is a natural hybrid of Calante >>>>>> triplicata and sylvatica (masuca). >>>>>> Thanks for sharing. >>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 14:44, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>> Hi .. This is Calanthe species. Probably Calanthe sylvatica >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Ravee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> efi page on Calanthe sylvatica >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/orchidaceae/calanthe/calanthe-sylvatica> >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> images. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Prashant Awale <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: 8 September 2018 at 14:31 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:304090] ID Request- Munnar-PKA1 >>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>>>> This herb was spotted in Shola forest near Munnar. >>>>>>> Date/Time: 04/09/2018, 3:00PM >>>>>>> Plant Ht: approx. 1 to 2 ft. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Requesting ID.. >>>>>>> Thanks & Regards >>>>>>> Prashant >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>>> the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or >>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>>> 1,00,000 are directly displayed). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>> Plants >>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for >>>>>>> free >>>>>>> as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds >>>>>>> of India'. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ****************************************************** >>>>>> **************************************************************** >>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Office*: >>>>>> >>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>> >>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China >>>>>> >>>>>> *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>> *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 <+852%202483%207128> (office - 8:30am to >>>>>> 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 <+852%209436%206251> (mobile); *Fax*: +852 >>>>>> 2483 7194 <+852%202483%207194> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Usha di >>>>> =========== >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ****************************************************** >>>> **************************************************************** >>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>> >>>> *Office*: >>>> >>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>> >>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>> >>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China >>>> >>>> *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>> *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 <+852%202483%207128> (office - 8:30am to >>>> 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 <+852%209436%206251> (mobile); *Fax*: +852 >>>> 2483 7194 <+852%202483%207194> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Usha di >>> =========== >>> >> >> >> -- >> ****************************************************** >> **************************************************************** >> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >> >> *Office*: >> >> Orchid Conservation Section >> >> Flora Conservation Department >> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China >> >> *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] >> *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 <+852%202483%207128> (office - 8:30am to >> 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 <+852%209436%206251> (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 >> 7194 <+852%202483%207194> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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