Tabish ji,
It is not about *Leea alata* Edgew or *L. rubra* Bl. ex spreng. Please
visit our (entire) root discussion at -
https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/UfbKrMCvEBw/m/-o2eeygRAwAJ

Thank you
Regards
surajit

life is short
time is running out
don't try to know everything
utilize what you already know


On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 11:46, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote:

> Looking at the long leaflets which are toothed only in the upper part, it
> looks like* Leea alata* Edgew. to me. *Leea rubra* Royle
> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:68348-1>
> is a synonym. I hope people are not mixing it up with* Leea rubra* Blume
> ex Spreng., which is a different plant.
>    Tabish
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 9:58:55 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>> Distribution is not the problem area, Sir ji, distribution records depend
>> upon reporting of the species from the area and it takes time to update the
>> distribution list, I think.
>> Btw, POWO shows the "green area all over the India" but lists - Native to:
>> Assam, China South-Central, India, Thailand -
>> http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:68363-1
>>
>> But, again I say, distribution is not the concerned area. *I would be no
>> less happy if it turns out to be L. setuligera.*
>> *I am here not to identify a species.*
>> *I am here to learn what could be the id of a species,*
>>
>> *Regards*
>>
>> *surajit*
>>
>> life is short
>> time is running out
>> don't try to know everything
>> utilize what you already know
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 21:34, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> OK Mr. Garg ! By the way POWO showing distribution !
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:29 PM surajit koley <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you, Sir, for the information.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> surajit
>>>>
>>>> life is short
>>>> time is running out
>>>> don't try to know everything
>>>> utilize what you already know
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 20:10, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only one Varun, I am think.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> With regards,
>>>>> J. M. Garg
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 17 May, 2021, 8:07 pm surajit koley, <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you are right Mr. Garg Sir ji.
>>>>>> Do we have more than one Varun ji, in the forum?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> life is short
>>>>>> time is running out
>>>>>> don't try to know everything
>>>>>> utilize what you already know
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 18:35, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait, Saroj ji,
>>>>>>> Discussions are yet not over.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>> J. M. Garg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 May, 2021, 6:24 pm Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Tabish,
>>>>>>>>  Forwarding  for inclusion in FoI.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forwarded Conversation
>>>>>>>> Subject: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 4:22 PM
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Members,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Location: Teesta, Kalimpong, India
>>>>>>>> Date: 24 May  2017
>>>>>>>> Altitude: 4000 ft.
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leea? Or Vitaceae?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM
>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng.   ???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leea robusta
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:35 PM
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leea rubra
>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124>
>>>>>>>>  Blume
>>>>>>>> ex Spreng.
>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124>
>>>>>>>>   ???  or  Leea robusta   - from Saroj
>>>>>>>> ji
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a
>>>>>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images).
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Plants
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> of India'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:40 PM
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Mahadeswara ji.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: M Swamy <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: 15 June 2017 at 17:22
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
>>>>>>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is *Leea rubra* Blume ex Spreng. for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 9:09 PM
>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, M Swamy <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Mr. Swamy !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:47 AM
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A reply:
>>>>>>>> "This should be *Leea alata* Edgew.
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> Varun"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Varun ji.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:28 PM
>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, M Swamy <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could not decide. Waiting for final validation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 3:33 PM
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: M Swamy <[email protected]>, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leea rubra
>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124>
>>>>>>>>  Blume
>>>>>>>> ex Spreng.
>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124>
>>>>>>>>   ???  or  Leea robusta   - from Saroj ji
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is *Leea rubra* Blume ex Spreng. for me.- from Mahadeswara ji
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This should be *Leea alata* Edgew.
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> Varun
>>>>>>>> I could not decide. Waiting for final validation.
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: 6 June 2017 at 16:07
>>>>>>>> Subject: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 4:58 PM
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: <[email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]>, Saroj
>>>>>>>> Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Jatindra Sarma
>>>>>>>> Date: 6 July 2017 at 16:33
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
>>>>>>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>> I think the image is of Leea rubra.
>>>>>>>> J SARMA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 8:53 PM
>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again confusion!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, M Swamy <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can decide on final I'd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found the keys between these two species at Forest Plants of
>>>>>>>> Eastern India
>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RQ-tItJSi60C&pg=PA181&dq=Leea+macrophylla+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bNkeUrHaLdDtrQeuh4DQBA&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Leea%20macrophylla%20%2B%20india&f=false>
>>>>>>>>  By Amal Bhusan Chaudhuri (1993).
>>>>>>>> As petioles are not winged, it can not be Leea alata. I also feel
>>>>>>>> it is close to images at Leea guineense
>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/leea/leea-coccinea>
>>>>>>>>  (syn.
>>>>>>>> *Leea coccinea* Planch.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, May 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, surajitkoley <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As per 08-05-2021 : S-KOLEY : Leea diversity in India
>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/UfbKrMCvEBw> from
>>>>>>>> Surajit ji:
>>>>>>>> "Saroj ji's upload from Kalimpong -
>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Qu7AqOcoHuk/m/iT4YyczCAQAJ 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> either *L. rubra* Bl. Ex Spreng or *L. guineensis* G. Don.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the paper I am following doesn't provide
>>>>>>>> description of both species. And* I have no clear idea how to
>>>>>>>> differentiate them* without 'KEY-III" and stipule picture. Yet, *I
>>>>>>>> agree with the established id, as L. guineensis G. Don, *because -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    1. inside of petal is creamy-yellow
>>>>>>>>    2. long acuminate tips of the leaflets and nerves
>>>>>>>>    3. apparently longer staminodial tube
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 at 15:17
>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: M Swamy <[email protected]>, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, May 16, 2021 at 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, surajitkoley <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess you are right Mr. Garg !
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:38 PM
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, surajitkoley <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As per Flora of India this should be *Leea setuligera* C. B. Clarke
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Leea guineensis* G. Don: staminodial tube 2-3mm long
>>>>>>>> *L. rubra* Spreng. ex Blume and *L. setuligera* C. B. Clarke:
>>>>>>>> staminodial tube less than 2mm
>>>>>>>> *L. setuligera* C. B. Clarke: Flowers turn creamish yellow on
>>>>>>>> maturity, leaf margins closely serrate and stiff bristles on the upper
>>>>>>>> surface of the leaflets between each pair of the nerves (as in leaf
>>>>>>>> photograph while zooming).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> Varun
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:37 PM
>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>, Varun Sharma <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, surajitkoley <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Varun Ji !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
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