Hi, Surajit ji, Should we tentatively take it as *Leea setuligera *? On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:22, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tabish ji, > It is not about *Leea alata* Edgew or *L. rubra* Bl. ex spreng. Please > visit our (entire) root discussion at - > https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/UfbKrMCvEBw/m/-o2eeygRAwAJ > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > life is short > time is running out > don't try to know everything > utilize what you already know > > > On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 11:46, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Looking at the long leaflets which are toothed only in the upper part, it >> looks like* Leea alata* Edgew. to me. *Leea rubra* Royle >> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:68348-1> >> is a synonym. I hope people are not mixing it up with* Leea rubra* Blume >> ex Spreng., which is a different plant. >> Tabish >> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 9:58:55 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] >> wrote: >> >>> Distribution is not the problem area, Sir ji, distribution records >>> depend upon reporting of the species from the area and it takes time to >>> update the distribution list, I think. >>> Btw, POWO shows the "green area all over the India" but lists - Native >>> to: >>> Assam, China South-Central, India, Thailand - >>> http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:68363-1 >>> >>> But, again I say, distribution is not the concerned area. *I would be >>> no less happy if it turns out to be L. setuligera.* >>> *I am here not to identify a species.* >>> *I am here to learn what could be the id of a species,* >>> >>> *Regards* >>> >>> *surajit* >>> >>> life is short >>> time is running out >>> don't try to know everything >>> utilize what you already know >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 21:34, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> OK Mr. Garg ! By the way POWO showing distribution ! >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:29 PM surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you, Sir, for the information. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> life is short >>>>> time is running out >>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 20:10, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Only one Varun, I am think. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 May, 2021, 8:07 pm surajit koley, <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess you are right Mr. Garg Sir ji. >>>>>>> Do we have more than one Varun ji, in the forum? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 18:35, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wait, Saroj ji, >>>>>>>> Discussions are yet not over. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 May, 2021, 6:24 pm Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Tabish, >>>>>>>>> Forwarding for inclusion in FoI. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarded Conversation >>>>>>>>> Subject: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID >>>>>>>>> ------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 4:22 PM >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Location: Teesta, Kalimpong, India >>>>>>>>> Date: 24 May 2017 >>>>>>>>> Altitude: 4000 ft. >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:10 PM >>>>>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leea? Or Vitaceae? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM >>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leea rubra Blume ex Spreng. ??? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leea robusta >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:35 PM >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leea rubra >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124> >>>>>>>>> Blume >>>>>>>>> ex Spreng. >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124> >>>>>>>>> ??? or Leea robusta - from Saroj >>>>>>>>> ji >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>> in the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or >>>>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common >>>>>>>>> Birds of India'. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:40 PM >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Mahadeswara ji. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: 15 June 2017 at 17:22 >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID >>>>>>>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is *Leea rubra* Blume ex Spreng. for me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 9:09 PM >>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, M Swamy < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you Mr. Swamy ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:47 AM >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A reply: >>>>>>>>> "This should be *Leea alata* Edgew. >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> Varun" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Varun ji. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:28 PM >>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, M Swamy < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I could not decide. Waiting for final validation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 3:33 PM >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: M Swamy <[email protected]>, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leea rubra >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124> >>>>>>>>> Blume >>>>>>>>> ex Spreng. >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW-orMy6nUAhXHM48KHVb9DL0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photomazza.com%2F%3FLeea-rubra&psig=AFQjCNFp8YYRePDZuqHMf8vWaOOdCdwijQ&ust=1496851241685124> >>>>>>>>> ??? or Leea robusta - from Saroj ji >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is *Leea rubra* Blume ex Spreng. for me.- from Mahadeswara ji >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This should be *Leea alata* Edgew. >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> Varun >>>>>>>>> I could not decide. Waiting for final validation. >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: 6 June 2017 at 16:07 >>>>>>>>> Subject: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 4:58 PM >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: <[email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]>, Saroj >>>>>>>>> Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Jatindra Sarma >>>>>>>>> Date: 6 July 2017 at 16:33 >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID >>>>>>>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> I think the image is of Leea rubra. >>>>>>>>> J SARMA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 8:53 PM >>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again confusion! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:51 AM >>>>>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, M Swamy < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can decide on final I'd. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I found the keys between these two species at Forest Plants of >>>>>>>>> Eastern India >>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RQ-tItJSi60C&pg=PA181&dq=Leea+macrophylla+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bNkeUrHaLdDtrQeuh4DQBA&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Leea%20macrophylla%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>>>>>>> By Amal Bhusan Chaudhuri (1993). >>>>>>>>> As petioles are not winged, it can not be Leea alata. I also feel >>>>>>>>> it is close to images at Leea guineense >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/leea/leea-coccinea> >>>>>>>>> (syn. >>>>>>>>> *Leea coccinea* Planch.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, May 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, surajitkoley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As per 08-05-2021 : S-KOLEY : Leea diversity in India >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/UfbKrMCvEBw> from >>>>>>>>> Surajit ji: >>>>>>>>> "Saroj ji's upload from Kalimpong - >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Qu7AqOcoHuk/m/iT4YyczCAQAJ >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> either *L. rubra* Bl. Ex Spreng or *L. guineensis* G. Don. >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the paper I am following doesn't provide >>>>>>>>> description of both species. And* I have no clear idea how to >>>>>>>>> differentiate them* without 'KEY-III" and stipule picture. Yet, *I >>>>>>>>> agree with the established id, as L. guineensis G. Don, *because - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. inside of petal is creamy-yellow >>>>>>>>> 2. long acuminate tips of the leaflets and nerves >>>>>>>>> 3. apparently longer staminodial tube >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 at 15:17 >>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: SK546 06 JUN-2017:ID >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: M Swamy <[email protected]>, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, May 16, 2021 at 2:12 PM >>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, surajitkoley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I guess you are right Mr. Garg ! >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:38 PM >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, surajitkoley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As per Flora of India this should be *Leea setuligera* C. B. >>>>>>>>> Clarke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Leea guineensis* G. Don: staminodial tube 2-3mm long >>>>>>>>> *L. rubra* Spreng. ex Blume and *L. setuligera* C. B. Clarke: >>>>>>>>> staminodial tube less than 2mm >>>>>>>>> *L. setuligera* C. B. Clarke: Flowers turn creamish yellow on >>>>>>>>> maturity, leaf margins closely serrate and stiff bristles on the upper >>>>>>>>> surface of the leaflets between each pair of the nerves (as in leaf >>>>>>>>> photograph while zooming). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>> Varun >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:37 PM >>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>, Varun Sharma < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, surajitkoley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, M Swamy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you Varun Ji ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/Qu7AqOcoHuk/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f0f049de-d91c-41e0-b17e-6734c1d52fb3n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f0f049de-d91c-41e0-b17e-6734c1d52fb3n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc1rG-ZWwifweMYVch5e2UprDkdyN7U%3Dd%3DEqgeidrb_TjA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc1rG-ZWwifweMYVch5e2UprDkdyN7U%3Dd%3DEqgeidrb_TjA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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