Forwarding for ID Distributed as Cirsium species- Kalinchowk, Dolakha, Nepal <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/cirsium/cirsium-species/kalinchowk> This is clearly C. argyracanthus (incl. C. wallichii var. wightii of FBI) easily differentiated by broader inner involucre bracts (but not dilated tips lips like C. wallichii) with spiny tips and characteristic woolly margins, outer with long slender spines Group discussion at Cirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) Petr. (provisionally accepted name) ?? (google.com) <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/RruBwOw_KTc>
On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 9:06:52 PM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote: > I did all possible search ! > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:18 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Looks different from Cirsium falconeri >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/15/cirsium-falconeri/> as per images >> herein. >> Pl. check other species in the checklist. >> >> >> On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 11:48, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Your opinion Mr. Garg ! >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 9:50 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Paradesi ji. >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 at 9:45 pm, Paradesi Anjaneyulu < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am thinking you're right Saroj Ji, agreed for flaconeri, >>>>> With regards. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 at 17:05, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Any opinion Paradesi Ji ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> Forwarded Conversation >>>>>> Subject: Cirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) Petr. (provisionally accepted >>>>>> name) ?? >>>>>> ------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 10:43 PM >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>> >>>>>> Location: Kalinchowk, Dolakha, Nepal >>>>>> Altitude: 9000 ft. >>>>>> Date: 26 July 2014 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 6:10 AM >>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nice images, Saroj ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:52 PM >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Jan 2017 4:31 p.m., "[email protected]" < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> See my recent comments about Cirsium falconeri. The plant you >>>>>>> photographed is definitely not the same as C.falconeri >>>>>>> found in Kashmir. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have indicated that quite a number of the postings on eFI named as >>>>>>> C.falconeri are not this species or indeed Cirsiums. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Distinguishing between these thistles is difficult. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 4:01 PM >>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: C CHADWELL <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Enclosing link if it could help to ID. >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=107139 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 10:18 PM >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> See my recent comments about Cirsium falconeri. The plant you >>>>>> photographed is definitely not the same as C.falconeri >>>>>> found in Kashmir. >>>>>> I have indicated that quite a number of the postings on eFI named as >>>>>> C.falconeri are not this species or indeed Cirsiums. >>>>>> Distinguishing between these thistles is difficult. >>>>>> - Chadwell ji >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Enclosing link if it could help to ID. >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=107139 >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For identification, >>>>>> >>>>>> learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ >>>>>> join >>>>>> >>>>>> our Efloraofindia >>>>>> >>>>>> Google e-group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>> >>>>>> in the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or >>>>>> >>>>>> Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> >>>>>> (with a species database of more than >>>>>> >>>>>> 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free >>>>>> as >>>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Also author of 'A >>>>>> >>>>>> Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: C CHADWELL <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:13 AM >>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the link to the current listing of Cirsium species >>>>>> recorded from Nepal but ALL these were >>>>>> within 'An Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' Vol 3 >>>>>> (1982) which covered this genus. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kitamura & Gould who wrote the account of Asteraceae (then >>>>>> Compositae) stated for C.falconeri in >>>>>> Nepal that the taxon as recognised is a very variable species - they >>>>>> outlined the differences between >>>>>> 'Kashmir' plants and 'Eastern Himalaya' ones. They concluded that >>>>>> the amount of variation suggests >>>>>> that several species may be involved and further study is required. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am in agreement with this. It does not appear that this study has >>>>>> taken place in the intervening period. >>>>>> >>>>>> I should be in a position to comment further about the images posted >>>>>> under the name C.falconeri on eFI >>>>>> but a MAJOR study is required overall - there are limits to what I >>>>>> can do. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the time-being, my INITIAL impressions were that SOME of the >>>>>> images posted not only did not match >>>>>> the Kashmir form of C.falconeri but were not the 'Eastern Himalayan >>>>>> Form' either (whatever taxa are decided >>>>>> upon when a thorough revision has taken place) and may well belong >>>>>> either to other Cirsium species or >>>>>> related genera. >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot meaningful do any MORE with the images you posted at this >>>>>> stage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Chadwell >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> SLOUGH >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> SL3 8BE >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> UK >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/81+Parlaunt+Road+%C2%A0+SLOUGH+SL3+8BE+UK?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> >>>>>> www.shpa.org.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Cc:* C CHADWELL <[email protected]>; efloraofindia < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 January 2017, 10:16 >>>>>> *Subject:* [efloraofindia:261049] Re: Cirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) >>>>>> Petr. (provisionally accepted name) ?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Enclosing link if it could help to ID. >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=107139 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:52 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/RruBwOw_KTc/unsubscribe >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:55 PM >>>>>> To: Ashutosh Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: efloraindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Ashutosh Ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> Some help for ID ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> Forwarded Conversation >>>>>> Subject: Cirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) Petr. (provisionally accepted >>>>>> name) ?? >>>>>> ------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 10:43 PM >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>> >>>>>> Location: Kalinchowk, Dolakha, Nepal >>>>>> Altitude: 9000 ft. >>>>>> Date: 26 July 2014 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 6:10 AM >>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nice images, Saroj ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:52 PM >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Jan 2017 4:31 p.m., "[email protected]" < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> See my recent comments about Cirsium falconeri. The plant you >>>>>>> photographed is definitely not the same as C.falconeri >>>>>>> found in Kashmir. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have indicated that quite a number of the postings on eFI named as >>>>>>> C.falconeri are not this species or indeed Cirsiums. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Distinguishing between these thistles is difficult. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 4:01 PM >>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: C CHADWELL <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Enclosing link if it could help to ID. >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=107139 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 10:18 PM >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> See my recent comments about Cirsium falconeri. The plant you >>>>>> photographed is definitely not the same as C.falconeri >>>>>> found in Kashmir. >>>>>> I have indicated that quite a number of the postings on eFI named as >>>>>> C.falconeri are not this species or indeed Cirsiums. >>>>>> Distinguishing between these thistles is difficult. >>>>>> - Chadwell ji >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Enclosing link if it could help to ID. >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=107139 >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For identification, >>>>>> >>>>>> learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ >>>>>> join >>>>>> >>>>>> our Efloraofindia >>>>>> >>>>>> Google e-group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>> >>>>>> in the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or >>>>>> >>>>>> Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> >>>>>> (with a species database of more than >>>>>> >>>>>> 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free >>>>>> as >>>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Also author of 'A >>>>>> >>>>>> Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: C CHADWELL <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:13 AM >>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:33 PM >>>>>> To: Ashutosh Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: efloraindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This ID is still pending ! Opinion from members please! >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/aafe6f35-2ba1-4b3d-83a9-b70b827304c9n%40googlegroups.com.
