Forwarding for ID Distributed as Carex psychrophila ? <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cyperaceae/carex/carex-psychrophila> Group discussion at Poaceae, Cyperaceae and Juncaceae Week: Cyperaceae-Carex 03042013GS3 for ID from Kashmir- GS24 (google.com) <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/gL7MdCCnulw>
On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 9:48:16 AM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > Thanks, Chadwell ji > > On 24 Nov 2016 8:09 pm, "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks for checking. So Carex psychrophila remains a possibility. As >> the images are of young flowers only and *mature* fruits are generally >> required to be certain of an identification, then unless we have a >> specialist, familiar with the genus in Kashmir, then it may be >> *impossible* for us to proceed further. *Perhaps a member in Kashmir or >> visiting Kashmir can take good close-ups of the mature fruits of this plant >> and send us?* >> >> I note the following publication but do not have a copy: >> >> Haq, E. U., *G. H. Dar*, B. A. Wafai and Jacob Koopman*.* >> >> >> *The Genus Carex L. (Cyperaceae) in the Kashmir Himalaya, India: A >> Taxonomic Appraisal*. Bishen Singh Mahendra Pal Singh, Dehra Dun. (In >> press). >> >> *Perhaps someone who has a copy can consult this and see if it helps us?* >> >> *Is Jacob Koopman a member of this group, as he is a Carex specialist >> when I am a beginner and this is not an easy genus? Or could forward the >> images to request his input with this and indeed other Carex (and >> Cyperaceae) from Kashmir?* >> >> Makes sense if I concentrate my strictly limited time, energy & powers of >> concentration on genera and families where no specialists exist especially >> if they are not familiar with Himalayan species. In some cases such >> specialists are not available. >> >> With attempting to identify plants, one can easily spend hours (or even >> days or weeks) trying and then not being any the wiser afterwards. There >> is a "law of diminishing returns" i.e. in some cases the only sensible >> course of action is to put to a side the specimens/photos and return to >> them at a later date. Sometimes, just a 'fresh' look, days, weeks or >> months later is sufficient. >> >> I e.g. identified sets of photos taken in Ladakh last year. For >> some images I was uncertain with species the belonged to (but knew the >> genus) and for a few which family but not the genus, as a result of >> checking out images posted on eFI which I have checked in recent months, I >> can now name the 'outstanding' images from 2015. >> >> And the more difficult example require a lot of concentration which one >> cannot always provide if tired or busy concentrating on other matters. If >> one tries to name a plant in such circumstances, rushes this and does not >> check properly, mistakes are made and misidentifications are made. >> >> *Attempting to RELIABLY identify plants can be very demanding >> intellectually and mentally exhausting. I am usually very tried, indeed >> exhausted after spending a day in a herbarium. I do not think this is >> appreciated, especially in these days of "high-tech" science - just as >> "field skills" are often not valued in botany.* >> >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> www.shpa.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* efloraofindia <[email protected]>; Gurcharan Singh < >> [email protected]> >> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, 24 November 2016, 10:51 >> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:257590] Re: Poaceae, Cyperaceae and >> Juncaceae Week: Cyperaceae-Carex 03042013GS3 for ID from Kashmir- GS24 >> > Thanks, Chadwell ji, >> *Carex* *psychrophila* Nees is an accepted name both as per The Plant >> List Ver. 1.1 <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-230092> & >> Catalogue >> of Life >> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/7a1e53fb47e90aed47a0ae076ad70c72> >> > >> On 15 November 2016 at 11:12, [email protected] < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Carex is a large and difficult genus. I photographed 3 Carex in my own >> village in the UK this year and have only, so far, been able to name one of >> them. There is a guide to Carex published by the BSBI which I had a copy >> of at one time but was damaged and discarded; I do not currently have the >> budget to by an up-dated version. Without it I will struggle (with help) >> to name the other two. >> >> In the UK we are blessed with The Botanical Society of the British Isles >> (BSBI) which has a Panel of Referees and Specialists available to have >> material sent to them to identify. There are a number of specialists >> available to accept specimens (either pressed and dried or in some cases >> fresh) with certain ones with particular expertise in particular groups or >> aggregates. *In all cases mature fruits and underground parts should be >> sent.* I doubt if many of them would be able or willing to attempt to >> name specimens on the basis of photos alone particular those not of greater >> close-ups or mature fruits than shown in these images. >> These images are of immature flowers which make things more difficult. >> Just a thought, Stewart gives Carex psychrophila as common in Srinagar (and >> Gulmarg, Khelanmarg, Pahlgam, Sonamarg @ 1800-3300m. Can this be checked >> further/eliminated? Unfortunately, it is not an accepted species in 'The >> Plant List' >> >> On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 12:17:08 PM UTC+1, Gurcharan Singh wrote: >> >> Another species of Kashmir, very common at low altitudes around Srinagar. >> Pl. help in ID >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com / <http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg 45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@ googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ group/indiantreepix >> <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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