Forwarding for ID confirmation Distributed as Geranium collinum ? <https://efloraofindia.com/2012/08/28/geranium-collinum/> G. collinum looks good id Group discussion at VoF Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 - 1159 :: pink flowered small herb at Valley of Flowers (google.com) <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/r9RR5HqEHQQ>
On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 6:19:15 PM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote: > Thank you, Chadwell ji. > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 6:14 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Chadwell ji >> > >> On 19 November 2016 at 18:10, [email protected] < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *I currently cannot put a firm name on this - shall comment further in >>> due course. *Further to my recent post about photographing Geraniums. >>> I am far from certain that the true Geranium collinum is found in the >>> Himalaya. This is a complicated matter. Let me try to explain. It has >>> certainly been thought to in the past. Stewart e.g. listed this species >>> from the Khardong La in his 'The Flora of Ladakh' (1916-17) - I have not >>> seen the pressed specimen but from the altitude and location, I would think >>> this is probably what I understand to be G.regelii. He also listed >>> G.grandiflorum (which is now Geranium himalayense). The images above do >>> not come close to my understanding of either of these species - nor >>> G,.pratense subsp. stewartianum a specimen of which I saw near Sonamarg >>> which Peter Yeo at Cambridge identified as this in 1987. Dickore & Klimes >>> (2005) which is the most up-to-date checklist for Ladakh do not include >>> G.collinum only G. himalayense, pratense, regelii and sibiricum. >>> >>> In 'The Valley of Flowers' book G.pratense, collinum, wallichianum and >>> grevilleanum (now G.lambertii) were listed. >>> >>> In the Notes Yeo supplied me, he draws attention to the problematical >>> *G.collinum-pratense-himalayense >>> alliance*. He considered this was particularly critical in the NW >>> Himalaya with high quality pressed specimens needed (nowadays these can be >>> supplemented and sometimes replaced by high quality digital images >>> (provided the advice given below is followed). This alliance has pink to >>> blue flowers (sometimes white) in which the stamen-tip and stigmas are >>> never blackish-purple... >>> >>> I consider it will be helpful for keen photographers, willing to make an >>> additional effort, to know which parts of Geranium to photograph. Having >>> images of such parts of each geranium will greatly aid identification and >>> enhance our understanding of the genus in the Himalaya - and perhaps you >>> can help with the locating and identification of a species new-to-science! >>> >>> PHOTOGRAPHING GERANIUMS: >>> >>> *IF only the first one or two flowers have come out don't bother to >>> collect as the form of inflorescence will not be evident.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * The rootstock is important; get enough to show whether compact or >>> creeping, or annual. You can photograph the base of the plant which should >>> provide this information. Clearly, one requires permission from the >>> authorities to uproot a plant. There is still a need and indeed role for >>> the collection of pressed specimens for herbaria in India but that is >>> primarily the domain of staff of botanic gardens/ institutions. In the >>> early stages of flowering look out for the best-developed unripe fruits >>> available. If fruit is ripe try to include both dehisced and undehisced >>> states. If the fruits are falling with the seeds inside them, collect >>> some (many geraniums disperse their seed explosively but some seed is often >>> retained). Include some loose petals when pressing (detach if >>> necessary). Expose stamens to show filament shape and hairs by taking 2 or >>> 3 sepals off a flower from which petals have recently dropped. Smoothing >>> out one or two leaves and flowers as you close the press may be helpful; a >>> few separately pressed basal and lower/middle stem leaves are often useful. >>> Wilted specimens can be very misleading. Notes should be taken as to >>> flower posture, colour and patterning of petals, colour of stigmas, anthers >>> and distal parts of filaments (not necessary if your photos show these). >>> And don't forget to ensure the stipules are clearly shown - something that >>> would have been obviously in pressed specimens, so not mentioned above by >>> Yeo.* >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 at 8:05:08 PM UTC+1, Dinesh Valke wrote: >>> >>>> [image: Valley of Flowers] >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7795632618%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfiscXcV1ezkljkoVaSBkd-7VO2FQ> >>>> >>>> 2 AUG 12 >>>> Valley of Flowers ... about 11000 - 12000 ft >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Dear friends, ID please. >>>> *Habitat*: sloping meadow >>>> *Habit*: small herb, about 50 cm high, flower about 15 - 20 mm across >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: P1010803] >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832711692%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdkUo73Kc5542fOWEtbS9AflbL5pw> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: P1560952] >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832670036%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcaMbLta2Eb031aFjfqG4rjzIlO2g> >>>> >>>> [image: P1010805] >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832704716%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzd4fC6F6K_d1XHzFK7uJUgH19V4OQ> >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). >> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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