Forwarding for ID Distributed as Leucas species- Goa <https://efloraofindia.com/2015/06/14/goa-d55/> My trying to key out species from FBI leads me to L. chinensis and not L. biflora in which we have just one two flowers at each node. But then this publication is interesting: Leucas sahyadriensis (Lamiaceae: Lamioideae) an overlooked new endemic species from India and notes on Leucas chinensis | Phytotaxa (biotaxa.org) <https://www.biotaxa.org/Phytotaxa/article/view/phytotaxa.399.3.2> Wight’s specimen from Peninsular India which Bentham considered as *Leucas chinensis* is different from Retzius specimen from China. A lectotype for this name is selected from specimens collected by Bladh for Retzius in China. In contrast, Wight’s specimen represents a new species endemic to southern Western Ghats, having long branches, broadly ovate leaves, funnel shaped calyx with a wide mouth and stellately spreading, broadly triangular teeth and the corolla 16–17 mm long. I don't have access to full paper, but is worth comparison. It is also interesting that this paper came full 4 years after Surajit ji's critical analysis. Group discussion at Lamiaceae (incl. Verbenaceae) Fortnight: TC03 - Leucas for id. (google.com) <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4xjaNalO92U>
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 8:28:48 AM UTC+5:30 [email protected] wrote: > I would like to put a question mark on its identity as *Leucas chinensis* > (Retz.) > R. Br. The species usually has 3-8 flowers per whorl; 1-1.5 cm long calyx > tube, abruptly dilated mouth, broadly triangular spreading teeth -- all > these characters are not clear in the attached photographs. > > This can't be *L. biflora* as well. > > *L. montana* (Roth.) Spreng can be straggler, but have truncate or > rounded leaf base. *L. lanata* var. *lanata*, an erect perennial, has > rounded or slightly narrowed leaf base. *L. decemdentata* var. > *decemdentata*, an annual can have cuneate leaf base (*L. chinensis* > also). > > So, id of this one remains unresolved. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit koley > a *non-botanist* member of > efloraofIndia google group > > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:26 PM, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> - *Leucas chinensis* >> >> >> The problem is TPL <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-111657> >> thinks *L. chinensis*, *L. chinensis* var. *lanata*, *L. mollisima* var. >> *chinensis* ....all synonymous (with one or more star rating). But FoC >> thinks otherwise - >> >> - http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200019772 >> (leaaves >> sessile to sub-sessile) >> - http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200019776 >> (petiole >> to 1 cm, under *mollissima*) >> >> Unfortunately FoC doesn't feature *L. biflora*. >> >> It is interesting to note IPNI >> <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=449334-1> detail on >> *Leucas >> chinensis* R. Br. The protologue can be found (attached herewith also) >> at http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/36315781#page/372/mode/1up.. >> More, interesting is account of *Leucas* by Brown in that protologue. >> Here is an illustration of *decemdentata* (it's a different taxon in >> TPL) - >> http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=56143&mobile=0&code_category_taxon= >> . >> >> >> - *Leucas biflora* >> >> >> IPNI informs"basionym not stated >> <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=A3C3AC335D36568A81D6F345B05B526A?id=449321-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DA3C3AC335D36568A81D6F345B05B526A%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3D%26find_genus%3DLeucas%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal>" >> >> for *Leucas biflora* (Vahl) Sm. Protologue >> <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=449473-1> of *Leucas >> procumbens* Thwaites can be found at >> http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/528167#page/247/mode/1up This >> protologue refers Wight's illustration >> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=35222&mobile=0&code_category_taxon=>. >> >> Attached herewith Wight's account of the species. >> >> I think I have provided ample links of websites for *nomenclature and >> identification problems*. >> >> Unless we have the "work(s) >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/WlIunMCOKcU/t9FOMHYRXoUJ>" >> mentioned in another thread, along with more elaborate photographs of this >> species nothing is confirmed. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Smita Raskar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thats what exactly i said on the basis of two links i have given i >>> thought it is L biflora >>> but as i said i have never seen L chinensis it is up to you to decide >>> as you have come to conclusion it is L chinensis >>> i mean i stand corrected >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:01 PM, surajit koley <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir and Smita Ji, >>>> >>>> I hesitate to say that this plate or photograph is not enough to >>>> identify the plant at species level. I am sorry Smita Ji I couldn't find >>>> differences of *L. biflora* and *L. chinensis* in the FoC and pdf >>>> links you have provided. I already have the pdf paper since 2012 - >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/RX4LT0YCOkY/6SrZFRng5MsJ. >>>> And when I write "account of *Leucas chinensis* (Retz.) R. Br. in FoC >>>> is a bit different than Indian sites" it means I have read FoC description. >>>> >>>> While some authors think that *L. biflora* doesn't form flowering whorl >>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ELTyjE8Ji8cC&pg=PA186&dq=Leucas+biflora&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vkC7UOq2JoqQrgfo4YCAAQ&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Leucas%20biflora&f=false>, >>>> >>>> and quite naturally when we see that usually there are only 1 or 2 flowers >>>> per verticillaster, other authors use the term "whorl" >>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=MX-F9BSgh0cC&pg=PA536&dq=Leucas+biflora&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vkC7UOq2JoqQrgfo4YCAAQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Leucas%20biflora&f=false> >>>> >>>> when they note presence of 4 or more flowers. >>>> >>>> Let's see what are Smita Ji's points - >>>> >>>> - "stem looks quadrangular" = *L. chinensis* stem is or can be >>>> quadrangular >>>> >>>> <http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jestft/papers/vol5-issue2/I0525054.pdf?id=2425> >>>> - "leaves petiolate" - as per Kerala site >>>> <http://keralaplants.in/keralaplantsdetails.aspx?id=Leucas_chinensis> >>>> (I have pasted link earlier) *L. chinensis* leaves have petioles >>>> 0.5 to 3.5 cm long. So informs Indian Biodiversity Portal. >>>> <http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/251140> In KEW herb >>>> <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000929492> >>>> petiolate leaf can be seen. Same can be seen in Taiwan site >>>> <http://yunol.stes.tc.edu.tw/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=22688> >>>> Attached >>>> here Retzius' account >>>> <http://www.archive.org/stream/mobot31753003566566#page/n60/mode/1up> >>>> . >>>> - "leaves lanceolate" = this is one thing I fail to find any ref. >>>> But I do not think only leaf shape can reject a probable ID. Because >>>> things >>>> are more favourable to *L. chinensis* thank to *L. biflora*. >>>> >>>> Smita Ji, I also never seen *L. chinensis* but then I didn't see many >>>> many species.... yet I try. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am happy that Surajitji is back armed with his websites and >>>>> solutions with nomenclatural and identification problems. I am sure now >>>>> I >>>>> will get the correct identity. >>>>> Regards to all. >>>>> TC. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Smita Raskar <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200019772 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/12044/1/IJTK%2010%283%29%20575-577.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> find out difference between two here please >>>>>> i have seen L biflora not L chinensis so you only decide >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:44 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is interesting to note that account of *Leucas chinensis* (Retz.) >>>>>>> R. Br. in FoC is a bit different than Indin sites like >>>>>>> http://keralaplants.in/keralaplantsdetails.aspx?id=Leucas_chinensis. >>>>>>> Also one has to take note of calyx mouth >>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000929492. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interestingly, there is also one *Leucas mollissima* var. >>>>>>> *chinensis* >>>>>>> <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000929486>, >>>>>>> one *L. chinensis* var. *lanata* ... etc which KEW >>>>>>> <http://wfo.kew.org/taxon/urn:kew.org:wcs:taxon:111659> thinks are >>>>>>> synonyms of *L. chinensis*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:16 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Smita Madam, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I remember you identified my thread of *Leucas biflora* >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/RX4LT0YCOkY/vKha7wFYRfIJ >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Usually in *L. biflora* (Vahl) Sm. number of flowers per whorl is >>>>>>>> 1 to 4 (sometimes upto 6) and flowers are pedicellate. Here the number >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> flowers seems to be more than *biflora* and those flowers look >>>>>>>> sessile. Moreover flowers are densely arranged. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, I request you to reconsider the ID of this species. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:36 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leucas >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/l/lamiaceae/leucas> >>>>>>>>> species >>>>>>>>> in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys *from published papers/ >>>>>>>>> regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever >>>>>>>>> available) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: 2 May 2015 at 19:43 >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:222426] Lamiaceae (incl. 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