Thanks for clarifying Saroj ji
As almost all the berries are about 3mm in diameter (See photo of plant 
with berries) so I would take it to be Rubia wallichiana.
Again thanks for enabling me to arrive at the correct ID.
With regards
Taffazull


On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 11:41:27 AM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar Kasaju 
wrote:

> Berry diameter is 3.5-4 mm in wallichiana and 4-6 mm in cordifolia, both 
> black color !
> Thank you.
>
> Saroj Kasaju
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM [email protected] <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Saroj ji but I am puzzled by the size of the fruits as I know very 
>> little taxonomy.
>> Can cordifolia have such tiny fruits or is it some variety of cordifolia. 
>> There were two larger fruits of 5 mm dia in the entire  ensemble (Photo is 
>> attached) but the vast majority are tiny 2mm dia black fruits. Of course 
>> the stem is very aciculate with little spines clearly visible in the plant 
>> photo.
>> I would be grateful for a definitive view .
>> With regards
>> taffazull
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 9:54:48 AM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar Kasaju 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Or maybe cordifolia ??
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:16 PM [email protected] <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Garg ji but is it validated as Rubia wallichiana ?
>>>> with regards
>>>> taffazul
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:53:09 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Taffazul ji, for the details.
>>>>> --
>>>>> With regards,
>>>>> J. M. Garg
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Oct, 2022, 1:35 pm [email protected], <[email protected]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kindly confirm if the plant is *Rubia wallichiana* .It was growing 
>>>>>> in a lawn* in *Srinagar .The stem is aciculate and square.The 
>>>>>> corolla of the flowers is white and most of the fruits are black and 
>>>>>> tiny 
>>>>>> 2-3 mm in dia though a very few were upto 5 mm in dia. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Walter R.Lawrence in  “The Valley of Kashmir”  (1895)  Chapter XIII 
>>>>>>   p 344 writes that till Samvat 1923 ( 1866 A.D.) madder was cultivated 
>>>>>> in 
>>>>>> Kashmir and its roots sold at 8 Annas per Seer (at present rates about 
>>>>>> Rs350/Kg.).Rubia wallichiana is even today in use by Monpa people of 
>>>>>> Tibet 
>>>>>> and Arunachal Paradesh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yang R et al in their paper published in the *Nature *family Open 
>>>>>> Access Journal *Science Reports* write that:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “ Synthetic dyes not only pollute the environment and damage 
>>>>>> ecosystems but can also be harmful to human health..Thus, an 
>>>>>> “eco-efficiency” concept has come into existence to bring economic and 
>>>>>> environmental viability together.. As a biodegradable and recyclable 
>>>>>> resource, natural dyes are gradually beginning to receive more attention
>>>>>> *..(** Yang, R., Zhang, Y., Ranjitkar, S. et al. Reusing wasteroot 
>>>>>> of Rubia wallichiana dyeing from Monpa of Tibet in China.* *Sci Rep* 
>>>>>> *11*, 14331 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-021-93848-8 *)*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cultivation of *Rubia wallichiana* can be promoted as a sunrise 
>>>>>> industry in Kashmir.
>>>>>>
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