Garg ji
Thanks for validating
With regards
taffazull

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:17:49 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:

> Yes, id should be Ok, in view of keys from Flora of China 
> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128835>:
> 45 (44) 
> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128835#KEY-1-44> 
> Stems 
> smooth or sparsely aculeolate; flowers purplish red, greenish yellowish, or 
> whitish; fruit 3.5-4 mm in diam., black at maturity.   37 *R. wallichiana* 
> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242425052>
> + Stems rather markedly or sparsely aculeolate; flowers greenish, 
> yellowish, or whitish; fruit 4-6(-7) mm in diam., orange at maturity.   5 *R. 
> cordifolia* 
> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022213>
>
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 15:15, [email protected] <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for clarifying Saroj ji
>> As almost all the berries are about 3mm in diameter (See photo of plant 
>> with berries) so I would take it to be Rubia wallichiana.
>> Again thanks for enabling me to arrive at the correct ID.
>> With regards
>> Taffazull
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 11:41:27 AM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar Kasaju 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Berry diameter is 3.5-4 mm in wallichiana and 4-6 mm in cordifolia, 
>>> both black color !
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM [email protected] <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Saroj ji but I am puzzled by the size of the fruits as I know 
>>>> very little taxonomy.
>>>> Can cordifolia have such tiny fruits or is it some variety of 
>>>> cordifolia. There were two larger fruits of 5 mm dia in the entire  
>>>> ensemble (Photo is attached) but the vast majority are tiny 2mm dia black 
>>>> fruits. Of course the stem is very aciculate with little spines clearly 
>>>> visible in the plant photo.
>>>> I would be grateful for a definitive view .
>>>> With regards
>>>> taffazull
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 9:54:48 AM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar Kasaju 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or maybe cordifolia ??
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:16 PM [email protected] <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Garg ji but is it validated as Rubia wallichiana ?
>>>>>> with regards
>>>>>> taffazul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:53:09 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazul ji, for the details.
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>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>> J. M. Garg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Oct, 2022, 1:35 pm [email protected], <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kindly confirm if the plant is *Rubia wallichiana* .It was growing 
>>>>>>>> in a lawn* in *Srinagar .The stem is aciculate and square.The 
>>>>>>>> corolla of the flowers is white and most of the fruits are black and 
>>>>>>>> tiny 
>>>>>>>> 2-3 mm in dia though a very few were upto 5 mm in dia. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Walter R.Lawrence in  “The Valley of Kashmir”  (1895)  Chapter XIII 
>>>>>>>>   p 344 writes that till Samvat 1923 ( 1866 A.D.) madder was 
>>>>>>>> cultivated in 
>>>>>>>> Kashmir and its roots sold at 8 Annas per Seer (at present rates about 
>>>>>>>> Rs350/Kg.).Rubia wallichiana is even today in use by Monpa people of 
>>>>>>>> Tibet 
>>>>>>>> and Arunachal Paradesh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yang R et al in their paper published in the *Nature *family Open 
>>>>>>>> Access Journal *Science Reports* write that:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “ Synthetic dyes not only pollute the environment and damage 
>>>>>>>> ecosystems but can also be harmful to human health..Thus, an 
>>>>>>>> “eco-efficiency” concept has come into existence to bring economic and 
>>>>>>>> environmental viability together.. As a biodegradable and recyclable 
>>>>>>>> resource, natural dyes are gradually beginning to receive more 
>>>>>>>> attention
>>>>>>>> *..(** Yang, R., Zhang, Y., Ranjitkar, S. et al. Reusing wasteroot 
>>>>>>>> of Rubia wallichiana dyeing from Monpa of Tibet in China.* *Sci 
>>>>>>>> Rep* *11*, 14331 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-021-93848-8 
>>>>>>>> *)*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cultivation of *Rubia wallichiana* can be promoted as a sunrise 
>>>>>>>> industry in Kashmir.
>>>>>>>>
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