*Diplazium esculentum *(Retz.) Sw. ?? ??
Thank you
Saroj Kasaju
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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:156890] ID Please
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A reply:
"Yes, I'm glad to agree it is not Timber! My false-teeth certainly aren't
up to that!
But just a small observation - when you say these other species were
previously not eaten, I'm not sure what period you are referring to, but
both D. maximum and D. laxifrons have been eaten at least for the last 30
years, and so also has D. kawakamii ("Jire Ningro") in Darjeeling area.
Dhaunte Niuro, D. maximum, is the main Niuro of choice in Nepal (including
Sikkim and Darjeeling) and has been traditionally for a long time, but D.
laxifrons is not so commonly eaten as it is a bit slippery (giu-like), but
still it has long been on sale here and there each season in Kathmandu for
the last 3 decades that I know about. Kalo Niuro is another one that has
long been eaten, as a partly medicinal plant to soothe gastritic stomachs
(Tectaria coadunata). In Nepal also Kuthurke has been eaten since way back
(Dryopteris cochleata), though I'd be a bit scared to eat a Dryopteris -
nasty chemicals in several of them.
The essential thing is NOT to eat bracken, Pteridium revolutum, but even so
I see occasional records of people boiling it a long time and eating it -
if the identification was correct. Some people call any fern bracken! As
you will know, if one survives the initial alkaloid poisoning from
Tarquiloside and Thiaminase and the cerebral oedema, then one develops
haematonuria from the bladder cancers that develop later. Either way, it
gets you in the end - nasty stuff!
I remember being slightly perturbed years ago on my first visit to China
immediately after the Cultural Revolution, when us Brits were definitely
the "anti-revolutionary running dogs of capitalism" to be given a starter
plate full of pickled bracken croziers - we joked among ourselves, was it
an attempt to knobble the opposition?! But our hosts ate it with gusto, so
we joined in and it was soon explained that it was the edible Chinese
species Pteridium esculentum - definitely not the toxic P. revolutum or P.
aquilinum etc.!
Happy eating!
Chris F.-J."
On 13 June 2013 21:44, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
A reply:
"WE NEPALI CALL IT A NINGRO..........BUT STILL BEING IN THIS SOCIETY WE
CANT IDENTIFY THE ACTUAL SPECIES. THE PICTURE WHICH U HAVE UPLOADED IS
SIMPLY THE CROIZER OR A VERY YOUNG FROND................HARD TO IDENTIFY IT
AND U CANT COME TO CONCLUSION THAT IT IS D.esculentum.
Another problem which i am facing too is that you are getting a variety of
ningro which were previously not eaten but due to market demand any thing
is being collected and sold as ningro.
regards
nayan thapa"
"Another thing the main motive for the identification of the species is for
the determination of antioxidant activity or for the food value. Plz be
conscious that every plant in this earth has antioxidant
activity!!!!!!!!!!!!!" from Nayan ji.
"Another thing ningro isn't a vegetable which u get in a
field...................its simply a non timber forest product." from Nayan
ji.
On 13 June 2013 20:25, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:
It is a Fern, Diplazium sps. , probably Diplazium esculentum.
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efi page on Diplazium esculentum
<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species--ferns/m---z/w/woodsiaceae/diplazium/diplazium-esculentum>
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From: *Pravin Kawale* <[email protected]>
Date: 7 June 2013 10:51
Subject: [efloraofindia:156890] ID Please
To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
Id Please
A vegetable known as Ningra( Local name in Gangtok,Sikkim)
20 May,2013
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