Thanks very very much, Vijayasankar ji, for this better version of paavai (bitter gourd) related name. We will go with பாவைக்கீரை paavai-keerai (bitter greens) and drop the பாவைக்காய் பூண்டு paavaikkai poondu. Will incorporate the name in the compilation shortly. Regards. Dinesh
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.botan...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Tamil names of Molluga pentaphylla L. syn. of Trigastrotheca pentaphylla (L.) Thulin To: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> Yes Dinesh ji, that name has both fruit and greens together. Instead, the name "paavai-keerai" பாவைக்கீரை can be used to refer to "bitter greens" with a comparison to bitter gourd plant, i.e. paavai. "Bitter greens" can also be translated as kasappu keerai கசப்புக்கீரை, without specific reference to bittergourd. On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 11:22 PM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ah, sorry, Vijayasankar ji. > பாவைக்காய் கீரை paavaikkai keerai is mix of fruit and greens. > Please ignore my query. > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:50 AM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks again, Vijayasasankar ji. >> Thus, would "பாவைக்காய் கீரை paavaikkai keerai" serve as a good name ? >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 11:36 PM Vijayasankar Raman < >> vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> In Tamil, 'kai' or 'kaai' refers to fruit-vegetables or unripe fruits >>> while 'keerai' is used for greens. >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 11:49 AM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks very very much, Vijayasankar ji, for this validation. >>>> I always thought "kai" or "kayi" in most of the south Indian languages >>>> referred to "bhaji" in Marathi and Konkani ... typically any part(s) of a >>>> plant that serves as a vegetable - including "greens" not just the fruit >>>> alone. With your clarification, we will compile "பாவைக்காய் பூண்டு >>>> paavaikkai poondu" as the name. >>>> >>>> Other validated name: சீரகப் பூண்டு cirakap-poondu >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.botan...@gmail.com> >>>> Date: Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 9:00 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Tamil names of Molluga pentaphylla L. syn. of >>>> Trigastrotheca pentaphylla (L.) Thulin >>>> To: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Dinesh ji, >>>> >>>> It makes sense. Only thing that doesn't match is the term 'kai' in >>>> 'paavaikkai' that refers to the (unripe) 'fruit' part of the vegetable. >>>> Whereas in Mollugo the fruit is not the prominent edible part but the >>>> leaves or the entire plant. >>>> But, if you name it 'paavaikkai poondu', for example, then it would >>>> mean 'the weed (herb) that tastes like bitter melon'. This is just a >>>> suggestion. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Vijayasankar >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 12:58 AM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Vijayasankar ji, >>>>> Many thanks for சீரகப் பூண்டு cirakap-pundu >>>>> >>>>> About paavaikkai பாவைக்காய் and its relation to bitter gourd. >>>>> In Konkani, this plant is known as कडवी भाजी kadvi bhaji ... कडवी >>>>> kadvi = bitter; भाजी bhaji = greens >>>>> Leaves are cooked and eaten as a pot herb; a bitter flavour ... Tropical >>>>> Plants Database >>>>> <https://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Mollugo+pentaphylla>, >>>>> Ken Fern. tropical.theferns.info. 2023-09-28. >>>>> I hope the above two facts are a good justification for the name >>>>> paavaikkai பாவைக்காய். >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 2:59 AM Vijayasankar Raman < >>>>> vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Dinesh ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> The 2nd name சீரகப் பூண்டு (cirakap-pun*d*u or seeraga poondu) is >>>>>> more appropriate for this plant. >>>>>> >>>>>> The name paavaikkai பாவைக்காய் generally refers to bitter gourd >>>>>> (*Momordica >>>>>> charantia*) and I am not sure how it's connected to *Mollugo*. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Vijayasankar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 5:11 AM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Vijayasankar ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I need help with two Tamil names for *Molluga pentaphylla* L. ... >>>>>>> synonym of *Trigastrotheca pentaphylla* (L.) Thulin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> paavaikkai ... My attempt is பாவைக்கை... Please validate. >>>>>>> Reference: OSADHI - Online Structural and Analytics based Database >>>>>>> for Herbs of India >>>>>>> <https://www.neist.res.in/osadhi/detail.php?name=Mollugo+pentaphylla> >>>>>>> - CSIR-NEIST >>>>>>> >>>>>>> சீரகப் பூண்டு ... I have transcribed the name to cirakap-puntu ... >>>>>>> Please validate. >>>>>>> Reference: Tamil names of Botanical names >>>>>>> <https://books.google.com/books?id=EIE5EAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false> >>>>>>> by Yercaud Ilango - a Google Book >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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