What do you say, Karuna ji, about this ?: As per Flora of China <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10199>: 2 (1) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10199#KEY-1-1> Androgynophore 5-10 mm; gynophore 2-6 cm; nodal spines absent. 2 *Cleoserrata* <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317305> + Androgynophore absent; gynophore 4.5-8 cm; nodal spines present (prickles often present on petiole and major leaf veins). 3 *Tarenaya* <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=132319>
Due to genus keys at Flora of China, insertion of stamen becomes very important. Stamens are inserted together in a club like stub above the bottom in Tarenaya hassleriana <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> , while these are inserted in the bottom in Cleoserrata speciosa <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> . - *I think in view of the keys my this interpretation is wrong.* It should be Stamens are inserted together in a club like stub above the bottom in Cleoserrata speciosa <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> , while these are inserted in the bottom in Tarenaya hassleriana <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> . - *I think in view of the keys this should be the correct interpretation.* Am I right now? If so, I have to interchange all the images at both the pages. On Wed, 1 May 2024 at 22:04, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Karuna ji. > As per Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10199>: > 2 (1) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10199#KEY-1-1> > Androgynophore > 5-10 mm; gynophore 2-6 cm; nodal spines absent. 2 *Cleoserrata* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317305> > + Androgynophore absent; gynophore 4.5-8 cm; nodal spines present > (prickles often present on petiole and major leaf veins). 3 *Tarenaya* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=132319> > > Due to genus keys at Flora of China, insertion of stamen becomes very > important. Stamens are inserted together in a club like stub above the > bottom in Tarenaya hassleriana > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> > , while these are inserted in the bottom in Cleoserrata speciosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> > . - *I think in view of the keys my this interpretation is wrong.* > It should be Stamens are inserted together in a club like stub above the > bottom in Cleoserrata speciosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> > , while these are inserted in the bottom in Tarenaya hassleriana > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> > . - *I think in view of the keys this should be the correct > interpretation.* > > Am I right now? If so, I have to interchange all the images at both the > pages. > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 11:11, 'kd_...@rediffmail.com' via eFloraofIndia < > indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Dear Garg Sir >> >> According to Neto* et al.** (2017)* *Cleome speciosa *Raf.* >> (=Cleoserrata speciosa*)is devoid of stipule i.e. no stipular spine(nodal >> spine) and possess androgynophore (file attached). But my specimen i.e. >> *Cleome >> houtteana(=Tarenaya hassleriana*) has stipular spine and devoid of >> androphore, only gynophore present. Please clarify. Moreover, Choudhury >> (2005) and Barooah and Ahmed (2014) mentioned five species of the genus >> *Cleome* -* C. angustifolia, C. burmanii, C. gynandra, C. rutidosperma* >> and *C. viscosa *from Assam*. *Recently there is a report of >> distribution of an additional species of* Cleome i.e. Cleome houtteana *from >> Assam by Das* et al.* (2022)[file attached). So please validate my >> specimen. >> >> Karuna Kanta Das >> >> Guwahati >> >> On Wednesday 24 April 2024 at 16:10:48 UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >> >>> Due to genus keys at Flora of China >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10199>, >>> insertion of stamen becomes very important. Stamens are inserted >>> together in a club like stub above the bottom in Tarenaya hassleriana >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> >>> , while these are inserted in the bottom in Cleoserrata speciosa >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> >>> . >>> So it is C.speciosa. >>> >>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 11:33, 'kd_...@rediffmail.com' via eFloraofIndia >>> <indian...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Garg Sir >>>> >>>> I do not agree with you Sir. After observation of my new specimen >>>> collected on 22.04.24 ( uploaded) from the same place from where I >>>> collected my earlier uploaded specimen . Observation of my newly uploaded >>>> specimen shows some diagnostic characters i.e. 1. presence of nodal >>>> spines[Image 4,5] (absent in *Cleoserrata* >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317305>) >>>> i.e. one pair of stipular spine at the base of each petiole of the leaf >>>> and also a few spines are also found in the petiole.2. Leaflet 7 [image >>>> 2,3](5-9 in *Cleoserrata)* 3. Androgynophore absent[Image 6](present >>>> in *Cleoserrata)*. 4. stamen 04, purple[Image 6]; only gynophore >>>> present[Image 6]. From this observation it is concluded that my specimen >>>> uploaded today and earlier are *Cleome houtteana* Schltdl.(=*Tarenaya >>>> hassleriana*) not *Cleoserrata speciosa* . So please validate. >>>> >>>> With regard >>>> >>>> Karuna Kanta Das >>>> >>>> On Thursday 18 April 2024 at 11:30:46 UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>>> >>>>> No it is >>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/16/cleome-speciosa/ only. >>>>> As per efi thread >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/6gqrmwdWyHE> : >>>>> >>>>> Stamen colour purple in *Tarenaya hassleriana* >>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> >>>>> & green in *Cleoserrata speciosa* >>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> >>>>> Stamens are inserted together in a club-like stub above the bottom in >>>>> *Tarenaya >>>>> hassleriana* >>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> >>>>> , while these are inserted in the bottom in *Cleoserrata speciosa* >>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 at 13:32, 'kd_...@rediffmail.com' via >>>>> eFloraofIndia <indian...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think this species is not *Cleoserrata speciosa** . *It is *Cleome >>>>>> houtteana *Schltdl (=*Cleome hassleriana* Chodat) . Presence of one >>>>>> pair of stipular spine at the base of each petiole of the leaf and >>>>>> spines >>>>>> in the midrib of abaxial surface of leaflets is prominent ; flower pink >>>>>> to >>>>>> whitish in colour (after examination of the species). In Assamese it is >>>>>> known as Siyalkatahiya. So please validate. >>>>>> With regard >>>>>> Karuna Kanta Das >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday 2 February 2013 at 11:48:09 UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A reply: >>>>>>> "I agree with Vijaysankar ji.It seems to be Cleome speciosa." from >>>>>>> Bimal ji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 February 2013 13:25, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Both of this and the white-flowered form look like *Cleome >>>>>>>> speciosa* (now* Cleoserrata* *speciosa*) to me. Please check. >>>>>>>> Very nice pictures! >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Efi site link for this species i.e. *Cleome speciosa* : >>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/c/capparaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Karuna Das <kd_...@rediffmail.com> >>>>>>>> Date: 24 January 2013 20:42 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:144656] Cleome gynandra L. from Kamrup >>>>>>>> district, Assam >>>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Cc: kd_dkc <kd_...@rediffmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>> Attached images are *Cleome gynandra* *L.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Date : 24.01.2013 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Location: Kamrup district, Assam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Family : *Cleomaceae* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Genus & species : *Cleome gynandra* *L.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Habitat: Grows wild on roadside near ditches >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Habit : Erect, undershrub. 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