Dear Garg ji, Yes, we had a detailed discussion on it. Thanks a lot dear Santosh ji. With kind regards, Sam.
On Sun, 1 Sept 2024, 9:17 pm J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Santhosh ji. > > On Sun, 1 Sept 2024 at 21:04, Dr E S Santhosh Kumar < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> GargJi, >> We had a long discussion with SamJi regarding the identity. We need to >> study the specimen in detail. As of now, it is not similar to any known >> species of the genus, but occasionally such kind of intermediate and >> natural hybrids are found in this genus. So before coming to a conclusion, >> I suggest SamJi to collect a few samples for a detailed study. >> Similarly, many endemic species of south Indian Thottea are now appearing >> in Sri Lanka also. There was only a single species reported from Sri Lanka, >> ie Thottea siliquosa. But now T.ponmudiana, T.idukkiana, T.sivarajanii, T. >> dalzellii etc are also found there. >> >> The genus Thottea becomes a mess of species owing to several >> intermediate forms making the species delimitation a herculean task for the >> taxonomists. I am working on it now. >> Hope we can conclude the circumscription of several species shortly. >> With kindest regards >> Santhosh >> >> SANTHOSH >> .......................................................................... >> Dr. E S SANTHOSH KUMAR MSc, PhD, FIAT, FABSc, FLS >> *Member: IUCN SSC Western Ghats Plant Specialist Group* >> *Jawaharlal Nehru Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute >> (JNTBG&RI),* >> Palode, Karimancode P.O. >> Thiruvananthapuram-695562 >> Kerala, India >> Mobile: +91 8547825373 >> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Santhosh-Es >> www.drsanthosh.wikifoundry.com <http://www.drsanthosh.wetpaint.com> >> ORCID iD:-- https://orcid.org/0000-0003-2677-535X >> Alternate Email id: [email protected] >> >> *Every day’s life is a Gift. Let us use it productively* >> >> >> On Sun, 1 Sept 2024 at 17:10, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>> >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> *Thottea siliquosa *(Lam.) Ding Hou ?? >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> It is more close to Thottea dalzellii. >>> >>> Thank you, Sam. >>> This is very interesting. I suppose the presence of several appendages >>> below the stigmatic lobes in your first photograph (IMG_3277) would qualify >>> this for *Thottea **dalzellii**.* From what I've understood, such >>> appendages are either absent or only occasional in *Thottea siliquosa*. >>> These two species are closely related and I don't have an extensive grasp >>> of all the finer differences between them yet. >>> Are all the flowers in your first batch of photographs from the very >>> same plant? I'm curious about the arrangement of stamens: *4+4+3 *in >>> the first three images as against the more common *3+3+3 *in the last >>> image of the partially-open flower (IMG_4853)*.* >>> Let's wait for Dr. Santhosh's views. >>> Best wishes, Viplav >>> >>> Thank you very much for the detailed discussions. The first three >>> images are of fully opened same flower (IMG 3277, 3276, 3273). Fourth >>> image 4853 was captured (available only one image) from nearby plant in >>> 2023, just I think it is same as T. idukkiana captured in 7.4.22 from >>> another location. >>> With kind regards, Sam. >>> Thanks, Sam ji, for the clarification. Though the fourth image >>> (IMG_4853) is from a separate individual, it appears to be the same species >>> as the first three photographs. The number/arrangement of stamens can vary. >>> The tooth-like, pointy appendages (staminodes?) are similar in both the >>> specimens. The angle of the fourth photograph is not ideal to view these >>> projections but a few are visible nonetheless (marked & attached herewith). >>> >>> Best wishes, Viplav >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: Sam Kuzhalanattu <[email protected]> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 at 10:36 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:468789] 586 ID wild plant Thottea >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam. >>> >>> Location: bloomed near Vannappuram Thodupuzha Idukki Kerala INDIA >>> >>> Altitude: 1500fsl >>> >>> Flower date: 15AUG2024, 02.35pm >>> >>> Habitat: wild moisture evergreen misty sloppy canopied alpine >>> >>> Plant habit: big shrub, erect branches, hard woody cylindrical stem 07 >>> inches base circumference, rough brownish bark, perennial >>> >>> Height: 03 meters >>> >>> Leaves: alternate elongated/elliptic acute simple flexible glossy >>> aromatic, size upto: 25×8cm >>> >>> Flower: axillary buds, 03 tepals, purplish diameter:10mm, tomentose, >>> non fragrant >>> >>> Fruit: lengthy cylindrical beans purplish into brown, ridges >>> size:12x0.6cm >>> >>> Seed: brown upto 10 nos.ovoid angular >>> Camera: CANON EOS1500D +FL10x >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkXgDST0boTKE556qbwfk1yQQfrCks1uojkKCQwZAd__2EnFA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkXgDST0boTKE556qbwfk1yQQfrCks1uojkKCQwZAd__2EnFA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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