Nepali Name : सानो काकोली Saano Kaakolee ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 10:58:27 PM UTC+5:45 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:230958] Re: Herb for id from Churdhar: NS September 01/01 To: D.S Rawat <[email protected]> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
Thank you very much Sir. Nidhan Sir's specimen is unusual, in number of perianth segments and also in shapes of those segments. I have seen and recorded segment number variations (as many as 9 segments) in Amaryllidaceae member *Zephyranthes*, very commonly occurring in rain-lilies. But this *Lloydia* or *Gagea* is unknown to me. Only Nidhan Sir can confirm what this species can be, deciding upon sizes of the flowers. It seems to me that the plate you have shared shows flowers of *L. himalensis* is larger than *L. serotina* (around 1 cm.). Regards surajit On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 12:39 PM, D.S Rawat <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you Surajit Ji for critically analyzing the ID based on the keys, illustration and pics (available on net). Since I was also in doubt the illustration was uploaded to compare with. I too feel that now it goes to L.serotina (now *Gagea serotina*) and the flower is abnormally developed with many perianths. I have seen L.serotina in Uttarakhand alpines many a times; it is more slender upto 10-15cm tall only and usually have brownish center which tempted me to suggest it as L.himalensis (an unresolved name in TPL2013). The plant in the link https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tmw7t9aQz1w/EEv-XVDz_VUJ looks different and probably at that time I did not considered L.himalensis as a possibility. Yes it looks to have longer style. If we rely on this character it goes to L.himalensis. DSRawat Pantnagar <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tmw7t9aQz1w/EEv-XVDz_VUJ> Dr D.S.Rawat Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:51 PM, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you very much Rawat Sir, for key, illustrations, explaining characters all. I have never seen one so that I can determine a species. Yet I request you to please look into the photographs one more time. I attach two enlarged photographs. The style in those two pics doesn't look like much longer than ovary. The illustration you have arrow marked clearly shows that in *L. himalensis* style extends to much above the anthers. Nidhan Sir's pics do not show this character. One more point, *L. himalensis* is confined to Himalayan region of Kashmir, HP, Sikkim, Bhutan and possibly in China (but in another name <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250096014>). On the other hand *L. serotina* is distributed in Asia, Europe and North America. If we search images of *L. serotina* we will find many similar photographs in the net. Of-course perianth number would be six. I think this species is *L. serotina*. Perhaps https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tmw7t9aQz1w/EEv-XVDz_VUJ is *L. himalensis* which usually have single flower bearing plants and style in image number DSC_1141.JPG looks significantly longer. What we see in Nidhan Sir's photo is possibly fruit with persistent style. The only point in favour of *L. himalensis* is green base inside the white tepals. But this character can also be seen in uploads of *L. serotina* form different corner of the world. Please correct me if anywhere I have gone wrong. Thank you very much again. Regards surajit On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 12:08 PM, D.S Rawat <[email protected]> wrote: Please also see the Plant List 2013 <http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Liliaceae/>. All species of *Lloydia* are now transferred to *Gagea* genus. DSRawat Pantnagar On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:03:50 PM UTC+5:30, Nidhan Singh wrote: Dear All, Please suggest id for this tender herb shot from Churdhar range (H.P.), *ca.* 3100 m alt. There was only one individual we could see around, height about 15-20 cm, leaves all alike..I am clueless on id, thus expert opinion requested !! -- Regards, Dr. Nidhan Singh Assistant Professor Department of Botany I.B. (PG) College Panipat-132103 Haryana Ph.: 09416371227 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/RJhquj_0lQQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/49526438-b490-4529-8f9f-844da65c9ee0n%40googlegroups.com.
