Dear Garg ji, Long back you had expressed surprise that although *Androsace villosa, *showed distribution in W Himalaya, it did not figure in Flora of Pakistan. I found out, what figures in W Himalaya is *Androsace villosa* var. *robusta* <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:60458960-2> which is a synonym of *Androsace jacquemontii* var. *robusta, *the currently accepted name. Androsace robusta which is considered by FOP is a synonym of *Androsace jacquemontii* var. *robusta.* Androsace robusta is also listed in Klimes & Dickore's Ladakh checklist. I think this solves the mystery. Tabish
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: J.M. Garg <Unknown> Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 9:29:33 PM UTC+5:30 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:417721] Re: Androsace muscoidea in FOI To: efloraofindia <Unknown> Cc: Tabish <Unknown> Thanks, Tabish ji. There is a real confusion over here. I could not find *Androsace villosa, *though distribution is given in POWO <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77228473-1> and CoL <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/04cad3fecb9456b279314ae1a7eae52e> . Flora of Pakistan gives *Androsace robusta* ssp. <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250081171>*robusta <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250081171> (*Androsace jacquemontii var. robusta (R.Knuth) Govaerts in POWO). It says: The ssp. *robusta* differs from the European *Androsace villosa* in its robust habit and with larger plant parts. .................... The species *Androsace robusta* has also been confused with and included in *Androsace muscoidea* by several authors (Handel-Mazzetti 1927, p. 163 and Gould 1982). The two taxa are quite distinct not only morphologically but also occupy to a greater extent different areas. Also see A.villosa <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/villosa/index.html> and A.robusta <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/robusta/index.htm> in Androsace World. Here are keys from Flora of Pakistan <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696>: 18 (17) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-17>Leaf rosettes 3-6 mm broad, globose. Leaves ± incurved, 2.1-4.5 x 1.1-1.5 mm. Scape up to 8 mm long, 1-2-flowered 16 Androsace muscoidea <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242303148>+Leaf rosettes loose or if globose then 4-14 mm broad. Leaves not incurved, 3-11 x 1-2.8 mm. Scape (5-) 7-90 mm long, 3-12-flowered (19) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-19> 19 (18) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-18>Plants robust. Leaves densely appressed villous, cinerascent green or silky white (20) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-20> +Plants of a ± slender habit. Leaves sub-glabrous to pubescent-villous, but not densely so (21) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-21> 20 (19) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-19>Rhizome woody, c. 4.5 mm thick. Scape up to 10 mm long. Seed with a prominent hilum scar 11 Androsace villosissima <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250081179>+Rhizome and seed not as above. Scape 40-95 mm 10 Androsace robusta <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200016945> After going through all this I am also leaning towards *Androsace villosa.* On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 at 22:55, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you Garg ji, I think you are right that it is not *Androsace muscoidea. *However, I don't think it is A. globifera, as the images don't quite agree, and A. globifera is found in Eastern Himalayas, and not in Ladakh. I think this plant is *Androsace villosa. *Compare with the images at POWO <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:700470-1>. I am attaching higher resolution images. The calyx particularly agrees. Compare with images here too: https://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonimage/id59176/?taxonid=503355&type=1 Best wishes Tabish On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:02:03 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: Hi, Tabish ji, Images by Thingnam ji of Androsace muscoidea in FOI <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Mossy%20Rock%20Jasmine.html> look different from those at *Androsace muscoidea* Duby <https://efloraofindia.com/2014/07/02/androsace-muscoidea/> and as per Androsace world <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/muscoidea/index.htm>. It may be Androsace globifera as per images in Androsace world <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/globifera/index.htm>: http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/globifera/imageFull19.htm http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/globifera/imageFull16.htm Pl. check. -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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