Time to think again. If these images by Dinesh ji, and his on FOI are really Ammania baccifera, then what are my images from Morni Hills? https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/hkFxpcb_o8k?hl=en Mine are very similar to Ammania baccifera on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammannia_baccifera,
On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:08 PM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote: > Thanks very much, Gurcharan ji. > I will wait for those who are familiar with genus *Ammannia* for the sake > of their study, to validate this ID. > I have suggested ID based merely on my thinking. > Regards. > Dinesh. > > On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 9:40 PM Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Dinesh ji for hunting out differences, >> >> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 11:28:40 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote: >> >>> Many thanks, Gurcharan ji. >>> I have attempted to make some notes from the internet. >>> Most of the sites have merged - ssp. *aegyptiaca* with ssp. *baccifera* >>> - thus was difficult to find separate descriptions. >>> >>> >>> Here below I have listed the differences briefly ... >>> *Ammannia baccifera ssp. baccifera* >>> cymes peduncled >>> epicalyx minute >>> capsule exceeding calyx tube >>> >>> *Ammannia baccifera ssp. aegyptiaca* >>> cymes sessile-subsessile >>> epicalyx horn-like >>> capsule included within the calyx >>> >>> >>> Here below are descriptions cited from two sites ... >>> *Ammannia baccifera ssp. baccifera* >>> Kerala Plants >>> <http://www.keralaplants.in/keralaplantsdetails.aspx?id=Ammannia_baccifera_ssp._baccifera> >>> >>> Erect annual herbs to 40 cm tall; stem 4-angled or more or less winged. >>> Leaves simple, decussate, sessile, 2-6 x 0.5-0.8 cm, linear to elliptic, >>> apex acute, base attenuate, chartaceous. Cymes dischasial, axillary. >>> Flowers 4 or 5-merous, perigynous; pedicels c. 2 mm long. Calyx tube 1-2 mm >>> long, campanulate; lobes 4, 1-1.5 mm long, triangular. Petals absent. >>> Stamens 4; filaments c. 0.5 mm long. Ovary 1 mm in diam., globose, >>> 4-5-locular; ovules many; stigma capitate. Capsule 1.5-2 mm across, >>> globose, exceeding calyx tube; seeds brownish, concavo-convex. >>> >>> The genus Ammannia L. (Lythraceae) in Egypt >>> <https://www.herbmedit.org/flora/17-097.pdf> >>> Erect or procumbent, branched herbs, up to 40 cm high; leaves narrow >>> oblong-lorate, 3-4 cm length, 0.6-0.8 cm width; leaf base at lower leaves >>> attenuate, at upper leaves obtuse or cuneate; cymes peduncled, lax; flowers >>> pediceled; hypanthium 1-1.5 mm length and width, ribs obscure; epicalyx >>> minute; petals absent; stamens 4, yellow; capsule reddish yellow, 1-1.5 mm >>> diameter, exceeding hypanthium, style length up to 0.5 mm; seeds 0.5 mm, >>> brownish. >>> >>> *Ammannia baccifera ssp. aegyptiaca* >>> Kerala Plants >>> <http://www.keralaplants.in/keralaplantsdetails.aspx?id=Ammannia_baccifera_ssp._aegyptiaca> >>> >>> Annual herbs, often red, erect or ascending, simple or branched, 2-80 cm >>> tall; stems 4-angular or ± winged. Leaves opposite, 0.7-7 x 0.15-1(-1.6) >>> cm, linear to elliptic, narrowed to the apex, narrowed to a cuneate base or >>> obtuse or subcordate. Cymes (1-)3- many-flowered, ± lax to dense; peduncles >>> 1 (-2) mm long; pedicels 1-2.5 mm long; bracteoles linear-lanceolate. >>> Calyx-tube turbinate-campanulate, 1-2 mm long; lobes 4, broadly triangular, >>> 1-1.5 mm long; intermediary appendages absent or very inconspicuous. Petals >>> absent. Stamens 4, as long as the calyx-lobes or shorter. Ovary globose, >>> 0.7-1.2 mm in diameter; style 0.1-0.3 mm long. Capsule globose, 1-2.5 mm in >>> diameter, 1/2-3/4 included within the calyx; seeds brownish, >>> concavo-convex, 0.4 mm in diameter. >>> >>> The genus Ammannia L. (Lythraceae) in Egypt >>> <https://www.herbmedit.org/flora/17-097.pdf> >>> Erect, branched herb, stem suffruticose at the base, up to 40 cm high; >>> leaves lorate, 4-6 cm length, 0.6-0.8 mm width, with obtuse-cuneate bases; >>> cymes sessile-subsessile with dense, glomurate flowers; hypanthium 1-1.5 mm >>> length and width, ribs obscure, epicalyx horn-like; petals absent, stamens >>> 4, yellow; capsule reddish yellow, 1.5-2.0 mm diameter included in the >>> hypanthium. >>> >>> >>> *In this posted observation of Ammania baccifera*, >>> I see peduncled cymes; >>> and the leaf base as attenuate-cuneate, compared to ssp. *aegyptica* >>> which has a sub-cordate base. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 7:29 AM Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dinesh ji, need to know differences between A. baccifera and A. >>>> aegyptiaca before we decide ID of this also. >>>> >>>> On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 7:33:31 AM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK Dinesh ji. >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 at 11:19 pm, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, 8 June 2023 at 22:08:28 UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar Kasaju >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess the ID is correct. >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:43 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Ammannia baccifera* L. ... FOR VALIDATION >>>>>>>> Waghbil, Thane, Maharashtra :: Sep 27, 2008 · 2:08 PM IST :: about >>>>>>>> 3 m (10 ft) asl >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> [image: Ammannia baccifera L. ... FOR VALIDATION] >>>>>>>> <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/153775283> >>>>>>>> [image: Ammannia baccifera L. ... 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