Appreciate what Madhuriji, and Gurucharanji are saying... about the group and its working and goodness all around... we can make a different thread for that.... it would be memorable and become part of our hall of fame....
BUT..... this particular thread should have remained as a glowing example of what not to do if one is asking for a diagnosis.... but ... we got side tracked... where is the original sender... Dev kumar in all this...??/ I for one am not happy to agree to a diagnosis based on a painting at the wiki site or a flicker photo whose authorship is not showing up... whose copyright is it? what continent of the god's green earth did that particular photo originate from? what season, what is the size of the plant or the fruit????? how do we know the mother plant is really the same as what's in the flicker photo or the wiki illustration.... ???? all that is conjecture and NOT SCIENTIFIC.... TAXONOMY IS SERIOUS SCIENCE AFTER ALL. .... If Dev kumar ji can not submit a foto of the original mother plant that produced this fruit... may be this thread can stop right here and be as is.... that's my 2 cents worth.... Usha di ========== Madhuri ji you said this, I quote "But I know at that time someone else is breaking the head to identify the plant. " its absolutely truly, I am compulsive and look at all, and do break my head over trying to id the plant... so it behooves the sender to respect "my" (and all other members' and especially the experts' ) time and be as explicit and elaborate as possible when sending in an item ... PS WHAT RECOVERY, Madhuri ji... did I miss something? hope all is well.... Usha di ========= On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Balkar Arya <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Madhuri ji > thanks for your respect and affection with the group. We all wish your > quick recovery. By the way if you wish you can join us on any of the flower > hunting tour after you recovery. > > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Madhuri ji >> We have all been wishing for your speedy recovery and hope you are soon >> completely recovered to forget the previous pains. Efl is a big family where >> we feel and share sorrows and happiness of every other member. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ** Sirji >>> I respect every member of the group so much that I can't tolerate the >>> complaints. Everyone is doing their job so well. All are so dedicated to the >>> tasks they have taken by their wish. >>> Every person has his/her specialty and I respect it. When I say I delete >>> the forwarded mails by you or Gargji, is because I will not be of any help >>> there. But I respect the joy of getting the unidentified sps identified. >>> Sirji I was planning to write a thanks letter to group. I could not. But >>> I am happy to tell that Dr has allowed me to join my duties. Of course I do >>> have to take lot of precautions. I have to wear a special socks with >>> supporting rods to support my ankle,walk slow, climb stair very carefully, >>> but I am back on my feet. I joined college on 24th August and could not get >>> a single minute to express my feelings. >>> But I will like to confess every member of eflora has helped me to keep >>> myself cool, joyful, happy, tolerent, etc etc. I enjoyed the Himalayan >>> flora, Panipat flora, name of plants, Valmiki and all other threads. It made >>> me forget my pain. It was a remedy on my home asylum. >>> I wish someday I will be able to meet everyone of you. Thanks a lot for >>> keeping me as fresh as I was. >>> >>> Madhuri >>> >>> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: * Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> *Sender: * [email protected] >>> *Date: *Sat, 3 Sep 2011 17:20:21 +0530 >>> *To: *<[email protected]> >>> *Cc: *Efloraindia<[email protected]>; H S< >>> [email protected]>; ushadi Micromini<[email protected]>; Dev >>> Kumar<[email protected]>; Mahadeswara<[email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: [efloraofindia:79375] Request for Species Id DKV 070611-1 >>> Cactus fruit.... >>> >>> Madhuri ji >>> You have said it all. There are two ways of using delete buttons. mark >>> all mails that you want to delete and press delete button. Otherwise click >>> delete all, unmark few that you want to retain, and press delete button. >>> Either way it takes few seconds. Only Aarti ji, Alok ji, Prashant ji, Muthu >>> ji, Ritesh ji, and others whose mails are resurfaced regularly know the >>> importance of resurfacing. You would be surprised to know that most of good >>> ideas come from persons who are supposed to be non-experts. I remember a >>> plant resurfaced several times with no conclusion, till Aarti ji came up >>> with identification which we could have never imagined. Similarly I have >>> seen the growth of Alok ji in recent months. He is a real asset to the group >>> sending us photographs from Western Himalayas. >>> I love this group for heterogeneity. I am more happy when an >>> identification comes from Yazdy ji, Aarti ji, Alok ji, Dinesh ji (although >>> he is more expert than many of us), Tabish ji, Garg ji,etc. I love that, >>> many of us love that, and let us allow it to remain like this. We are all >>> one big family and let us not make distinction between experts and ordinary >>> members time and again. >>> As Garg ji has been writing regularly. There is lot of work on our >>> website and experts can definitely help in process of building eFlora of >>> India in our website. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:47 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> ** Actually I always admire Sirji and Gargji for their dedication. I >>>> think that they must have kept seperate folder for unidentified sps from >>>> where they must be taking out mails for unidentified plants. Something like >>>> Pandoras box you know. Very paitiently they resurface the mails, with full >>>> dedication, hope that a new member joined may be able to identify it. Or >>>> some non botanist if has taken interest in taxanomy may take up the task. >>>> Or >>>> some botanist may take the lead again to search in their knowledge box and >>>> find out the name!!! >>>> I really appreciate the efforts, hope, love, dedication and----! >>>> As for me I am not a botanist and will never be able to a taxanomist. So >>>> its of no use to open the mail and read the content. So what I do? When I >>>> open the inbox and see the mails on sirji and Garji's name with 'fwd' as >>>> prefix I DELETE the mail by just marking them all togather in one stroke. >>>> It >>>> doesn't take time. But I know at that time someone else is breaking the >>>> head >>>> to identify the plant. >>>> For the photo which requires some details are taken by some enthusiast >>>> for the love of beauty and then feel that the name should be known. Hence >>>> sent to the group. If the hard core Botanist can explain that person what >>>> is >>>> needed he/she may take other photo and will sent. If can't may say so. Then >>>> the photo can be eliminated for ever. >>>> But I know many members of group who are non botanist have become the >>>> leading personalities of the group by improving upon suggesstions given. >>>> Since I am a teacher myself I feel that improvements can be brought in >>>> students if we wish too. >>>> My request to members will be give suggestions for improvement if you >>>> have patience or else don't react. But don't show your frustetion. >>>> Similarly see the 'fwd' short form of forwaded as prefix to mails from >>>> sirji and Gargji and open only if youwant to see the resurfaced mail. Else >>>> delete it with a click of mouse. Don't hurt the person with your >>>> overethusiasum. >>>> Bye. >>>> Madhuri >>>> >>>> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: * Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> *Sender: * [email protected] >>>> *Date: *Sat, 3 Sep 2011 16:16:49 +0530 >>>> *To: *H S<[email protected]> >>>> *Cc: *ushadi Micromini<[email protected]>; Dev Kumar< >>>> [email protected]>; efloraofindia< >>>> [email protected]>; Mahadeswara<[email protected]> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [efloraofindia:79362] Request for Species Id DKV >>>> 070611-1 Cactus fruit.... >>>> >>>> Dear H S >>>> For me all 1700 members are equally important, although experts are >>>> especially marked. >>>> Resurfacing job is a thankless job which myself and Garg ji has >>>> undertaken. No one volunteered when I was out to Kashmir for two months. >>>> Let >>>> us volunteer for jobs rather than criticizing others who do it for the sake >>>> of the group. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:08 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In this photo we can only say that its an Opuntia species... get more >>>>> photo to identify the species level.. >>>>> >>>>> agree with Usha di ..., here lots of photos which are not even a >>>>> quality of identifying the family are posted again and again for >>>>> identification (resurfing) ... >>>>> >>>>> and also resurfing for the identified species.... >>>>> >>>>> pls find some solution for these.. or send it to only experts, bcoz >>>>> every one do not have so much time to read the same post again and again.. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 8:19 PM, ushadi Micromini < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear All: I honor Dr. Gurucharan ji' s opinion... >>>>>> but since he is sending it out again means... he is not convinced >>>>>> himself, is that it, Guruchran ji? >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not wish to contradict you or other erstwhile botanists, BUT in >>>>>> Medicine If we did diagnosis a picture of a lump ... we would be >>>>>> nowhere... same must be true for other branches of science.... including >>>>>> botany... and the botany specialist/s should not be put into a situation >>>>>> such as this... it behooves anybody asking for ID ... to show the mother >>>>>> plant... especially since its in your own garden....!!!!! Whatever >>>>>> its >>>>>> worth , that's my opinion.... >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not convinced of the diagnosis ... many cactus derived fruits >>>>>> may look similar... I think I had voiced my doubts earlier... why is it >>>>>> surfacing again? >>>>>> Usha di >>>>>> ====== >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Resurfacing again for ID >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earlier feedback >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Me..................................................................Opuntia >>>>>>> sp. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dev Kumar >>>>>>> ji.......................................................Opuntia indica >>>>>>> ficus (ficus indica) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mahadeshwara ji.................................................Could >>>>>>> be Opuntia dillennii >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Dev Kumar <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:36 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:71222] Request for Species Id DKV 070611-1 >>>>>>> Cactus fruit.... >>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mhow, Indore, Madhya Pradesh. >>>>>>> From my garden. >>>>>>> Can someone tell me the species name please. >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - H.S. >>>>> >>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>>>> of stone >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Dr Balkar Singh > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology > Arya P G College, Panipat > Haryana-132103 > 09416262964 >
