I have worked on Passifloras for almost one year and seen many live plants. I have never seen a plant with perfect entire leaves except for suberosa. And then the lobes keep increasing as age of the plant, except for suberosa and foetida. Most of the times they seem to be having 3 lobes, thought much older plant with good nutrition do give 5 or above lobes. Passiflora caerulea and alato-caerulea can be differentiated on the basis of size of the flower. Alato-caerulea is much bigger than caerulea. Passiflora edulis has green fruits with purple dots and in another hybrid of this the fruits are yellow and hence so named as P. edulis flavicarpa. This is the only species that gives perfect fruits with viable seeds and you can even germinate the seeds very easily. P. incarnata, as far as I remember never gives fruit in India, dont know why. To me a true incarnata is the one in which the ends of coronal hairs are wavy and in caerulea it is straight. Leaves are longer than width in caerulea where as broader than length in incarnata. To me, Prasad's plant is P. caerulea. Balkar sir's plant is yet to open and I cant see the whole leaf so I cant comment. Regards Pankaj
On Nov 4, 10:15 am, Balkar Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Sir > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > yes Balkar ji > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Balkar Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Sir So mine is P. incarnata? > > >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> Yes Balkar ji > >>> Not only that, the corona scales are equalling or longer than petals > > >>> -- > >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>> Retired Associate Professor > >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Balkar Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>> Sir My plant is with weakly toothed margins pls see attached pics > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Tanay Bose <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>> Great work Sir Ji.. you are really fast !! > >>>>> Tanay > > >>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Gurcharan Singh > >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>> Tanay I think I got it, Passiflora x alatocaerulea > > >>>>>> Here is the relevant portion of key from Bailey Manual of cultivated > >>>>>> plants > > >>>>>> Petals white or pink > >>>>>> Outer rays of corona about as long as petals; leaves serrate > >>>>>> Fruit yellow when ripe; leaves dull > >>>>>> above......................................................P. incarnata > >>>>>> Fruit deep purple when ripe; leaves shining > >>>>>> above.........................................P. edulis > >>>>>> Outer rays of corona distinctly shorter than petals; leaves > >>>>>> entire > >>>>>> Leaves 5-7 > >>>>>> lobed...................................................................... > >>>>>> .................P. > >>>>>> caerulea > >>>>>> Leaves > >>>>>> 3-lobed.................................................................... > >>>>>> ......................P. > >>>>>> alatocaerulea > > >>>>>> I have both P. caerulea and P. x alatocaerulea from California. I > >>>>>> will upload them soon. > > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor > >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>>> Tanay not all three, but only one (all according to me belong to > >>>>>>> same species). > > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor > >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Tanay Bose > >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Hi Sir Ji. > >>>>>>>> I think you are always kind enough to provide me with appriciations. > >>>>>>>> The real cresit goes to Prasad ji who cleverly photographed the > >>>>>>>> leaves of the plant. This is the only reason why many members like > >>>>>>>> us always force on taking detailed images. I again thanks Prasad > >>>>>>>> Ji and hope the identification of all three plants will be resolved > >>>>>>>> soon. > > >>>>>>>> Regards > >>>>>>>> Tanay > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] > >>>>>>>> > wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Tanay > >>>>>>>>> You are a real gem. You have not only put us to work to find > >>>>>>>>> identity of this plant, but also one uploaded by Balkar ji, and also > >>>>>>>>> similar photographs of mine from California which I had identified > >>>>>>>>> as P. > >>>>>>>>> incarnata > > >>>>>>>>>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/Flora$20of$20Panipat:$20Pass... > > >>>>>>>>> Yes true P. incarnata has leaves with weakly toothed margin > > >>>>>>>>>http://www.missouriplants.com/Bluealt/Passiflora_incarnata_page.html > > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor > >>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Tanay Bose > >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Prasad ji. > >>>>>>>>>> As far as I know in Passiflora incarnata the leaves have serrate > >>>>>>>>>> margin which in missing out here. Hence I am not very confident > >>>>>>>>>> in determining this plant as the one. > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>>>> Tanay > > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:38 AM, prasad dash < > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear members sharing another image of Passiflora which i had > >>>>>>>>>>> taken from a garden, Is this *Passiflora incarnata* ? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Name of the species: *Passiflora incarnata* ? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Family: Passifloraceae > > >>>>>>>>>>> Place of collection: bhubaneswar, Orissa > > >>>>>>>>>>> Altitude: 100 m above msl > > >>>>>>>>>>> Habit: climber > > >>>>>>>>>>> Habitat: Garden > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards > > >>>>>>>>>>> prasad > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Prasad Kumar Dash > >>>>>>>>>>> Ecologist, Orissa, India > >>>>>>>>>>> email: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>> ph. 09437444241 > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> *Tanay Bose* > >>>>>>>>>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. > >>>>>>>>>> Department of Botany. > >>>>>>>>>> University of British Columbia . > >>>>>>>>>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. > >>>>>>>>>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) > >>>>>>>>>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) > >>>>>>>>>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) > >>>>>>>>>> 604-822-6089 (Fax) > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> *Webpages:* > >>>>>>>>>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html > >>>>>>>>>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html > >>>>>>>>>>https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ > > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> *Tanay Bose* > >>>>>>>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. > >>>>>>>> Department of Botany. > >>>>>>>> University of British Columbia . > >>>>>>>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. > >>>>>>>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) > >>>>>>>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) > >>>>>>>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) > >>>>>>>> 604-822-6089 (Fax) > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> *Webpages:* > >>>>>>>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html > >>>>>>>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html > >>>>>>>>https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ > > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor > >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> *Tanay Bose* > >>>>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. > >>>>> Department of Botany. > >>>>> University of British Columbia . > >>>>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. > >>>>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) > >>>>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) > >>>>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) > >>>>> 604-822-6089 (Fax) > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> *Webpages:* > >>>>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html > >>>>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html > >>>>>https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ > > >>>> -- > >>>> Regards > > >>>> Dr Balkar Singh > >>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology > >>>> Arya P G College, Panipat > >>>> Haryana-132103 > >>>> 09416262964 > > >> -- > >> Regards > > >> Dr Balkar Singh > >> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology > >> Arya P G College, Panipat > >> Haryana-132103 > >> 09416262964 > > -- > Regards > > Dr Balkar Singh > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology > Arya P G College, Panipat > Haryana-132103 > 09416262964
