Given that my favourite topic (I am aware that plant names are boring for
most people) generate little reaction from the "silent" majority, I wonder
if there is a way of sending some messages to all the moderators at once.
If I can only post discussion starters in the usual manner, is there a
limit to the text size?
Realizing that the Google group site is still in its beta phase, I am
attempting to attach a file. This way the curious can have a look.
Title: Bamboos-note-on-Indian-names1
Hi all,
The purpose of nomenclature is to give a name or some names to
each specific plant. Species have names made of 2 words,
cultivated varieties have by necessity more that 2 words because
they belong to a species first. In vernacular nomenclature it is
no different. Two different plants cannot have the same name,
unless one applies a generic name in the absence of a better and
more specific name. If generic names are applied to say 6
different plants it is becoming very confusing. Introducing
translations, transliterations and scripts in the picture and
total chaos is the result. So taking bamboos as an example eflora
should list the following first (assuming that I haven't made a
mistake) because all (or most) of these are generic names. It is
hard to judge because there are only 2 species with such sets of
names in the database so far, no doubt compiled by our greatly
estimated Dinesh. Then these generic
names should be removed from the specific names lists. "Now here
is the rub". More appropriate names must be found to fill the
gaps. Unfortunately one cannot turn to dictionaries because
generally they are rather general in their coverage. If one does
not know, one has to ask some expert that knows, so please start
hassling your friends, colleages etc. I do not speak any of the
Indian languages but 95% of you do speak at least 2. As I have
some superficial understanding of many European languages, Chinese
and Japanese, all of you would have similar affinities with
several Indian languages. If you wish to promote your culture
abroad you can only rely on yourselves because those of us with
the best intentions in the world cannot do it for you... and poor
Dinesh cannot do it all on his own, he has to have a life.
Cheerios.
Bamboo in Indian languages.
Assamese: বংশ baansh
•
Bengali: বাঁশ baansha •
Gujarati: બામ્બુ baambu, વાંસ
vaans •
Hindi: बांस baans, बम्बू
bambu, बंस buns •
Kannada: ಬಿದಿರು bidiru, ವಂಶ
vamsha •
Kashmiri: बैँस् bains, बाँस्
bons, वंशः vanshah •
Konkani: वासो vaaso, वसो
vaso •
Malayalam: മുള mula •
Manipuri: ৱা wa •
Marathi: बांबू baamboo,
कळक kalaka, कळंक kalanka,
वेळू velu •
Nepalese: बाँस् baans •
Pali: वंश vansa •
Punjabi: ਬੰਝ banjh, ਬਾਂਸ
baans •
Sanskrit: वम्भः vambhah,
वंशः vamsh •
Tamil: ங்கில்
Munkil •
Telugu: వెదురు Veduru •
Urdu: بانس baans, بمبو
bambu, نبس buns;
If you agree with this
concept I will try to add the phonetic typing. This allows the
recovery of the scripted name from the phonetic, with the
appropriate software of course. Example: बांस baans, बम्बू bambu, बंस buns becomes बांस (baans) Bānsa, बम्बू (bambu) Bambū, बंस (buns) Bansa.
Once
the generic names are removed we are left with:
Bambusa vulgaris Schrad., Coll. Pl. 2: 26 1808. (Syn: Arundarbor
blancoi (Steud.) Kuntze; Arundarbor fera (Oken) Kuntze; Arundarbor
monogyna (Blanco) Kuntze; Arundarbor striata (Lindl.) Kuntze;
Arundo fera Oken; Bambusa auriculata Kurz; Bambusa blancoi Steud.;
Bambusa fera (Oken) Miq.; Bambusa humilis Rchb. ex Rupr.
[Invalid]; Bambusa latiflora (Balansa) T.Q.Nguyen [Illegitimate];
Bambusa madagascariensis Rivière & C.Rivière
[Invalid]; Bambusa madagascariensis Rivière &
C.Rivière [Invalid]; Bambusa mitis Blanco [Illegitimate];
Bambusa monogyna Blanco; Bambusa nguyenii Ohrnb.; Bambusa sieberi
Griseb.; Bambusa striata Lodd. ex Lindl.; Bambusa surinamensis
Rupr.; Bambusa thouarsii Kunth; Bambusa vulgaris var.
aureovariegata Beadle ....; Bambusa vulgaris var. striata
(Lodd. ex Lindl.) Gamble ....; Gigantochloa auriculata (Kurz)
Kurz; Leleba vulgaris (Schrad. ex J.C.Wendl.) Nakai; Leleba
vulgaris var. striata (Lindl.) Nakai; Nastus thouarsii (Kunth)
Raspail; Nastus viviparus Raspail; Oxytenanthera auriculata (Kurz)
Prain; Phyllostachys striata (Lodd. ex Lindl.) Nakai);
English: common
bamboo, dragon-head bamboo, feathery bamboo, golden bamboo,
green-culmed bamboo, surinam bamboo, surinam dwarf bamboo,
unarmed bamboo, yellow bamboo •
Malayalam: മഞ്ഞമുള
manjamula •
Tamil: நாமதாரி nama-tari, வெள்ளைமூங்கில் vellai-munkil •
Telugu: కర్మారము karmaramu •
Bambusa arundinacea (Retz.) Willd. (Bambos arundinacea Retz.,
Arundo bambos L., Bambusa bambos (L.) Voss, Nastus
arundinaceus);
English: giant
thorny bamboo, Indian thorny bamboo, male bamboo, spiny
bamboo, spring bamboo •
Assamese:
জাতি-বাঁহ jaati baansh, মোকাল-বাঁহ mokal baansh •
Punjabi: ਮਗਰ ਬਾਂਸ magar baans •
Sanskrit: आमुपः amupah, आर्द्रपत्रकः ardrapatrakah, कण्टकः
kantakah, कण्टकिलः kantakilah, वम्भः vambhah •
Tamil: ங்கில் peru-munkil •
Telugu: బొంగువెదురు bongu-veduru, వంశము vamsamu •
