Thanks Balkar ji for valuable information. There is endless Traditional knowledge about therapeutic orchids in India and neighboring countries. Unfortunately not much work has been done to document it. Hoping our work will encourage young researchers to focus their work on this aspect of Orchids.
regards Pankaj Oudhia On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Balkar Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Great work Pankaj Oudhia Ji. Orchids have a great medicinal value. I have > experienced this. One of my friend and me also have used an ayurvedic > formulation "Manipoushtic Churna" and results were wonderful > in strengthening whole urinogenital system > > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thanks for your comments. Lets wait for other members to comment. >> >> I am remembering the quote of Vijayashankar ji, when you were openly >> objecting on Almaida's flora many years back that best way to solve such >> objections is to publish it in standard journals not to discuss in forums >> like this. (Vijayashankar ji, please correct me if I am wrong.) >> >> Back to you reply, you have mentioned that "Fact is you yourself have >> not seen the plant but claiming based on some references." >> >> How you can say this? In my Google+ post I have mentioned the >> interactions with Sadhus from North carrying rare therapeutic orchids. I >> mentioned in that post that I am missing Dr. Pankaj Sahani ji in this great >> occasion. You can check it. >> >> Few years back I informed to you about my book on Medicinal Orchids of >> India. The work on this book is still in progress but now the co-authors >> are planning it to present it in form of online database instead of book. >> Orchid experts from 7 different countries are participating in this work. >> >> Best wishes for your great work. >> >> regards >> >> Pankaj Oudhia >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Oudhia sir >>> You cant rely on a name just because it is published. >>> That ways, all botanical names given to a plant, once or multiple times >>> should be valid. >>> Fact is you yourself have not seen the plant but claiming based on some >>> references. And I am trying to say that those references have been wrongly >>> written, which is very well possible as you can see a lot of times one >>> plant has got multiple synonyms. >>> Its your perception whatever you wish to believe. Its my perception why >>> I think they are same. >>> I told u in the first mail itself that the original plant which is >>> Spiranthes sinensis is not hairy. This claim is well known and you may >>> check the protologue. At the same time I have also shared the original icon >>> of Spiranthes australis which is hairy. >>> Taxonomy is also a matter of your perception. Many such references >>> quoted by you are wrong whether it belongs to flora of China or Kew >>> checklist or Plant List. The main reason being, they studied the herbarium >>> specimens and not the originals most of the times. >>> I still say in big words that ALL PLANTS TILL NOW KNOWN FROM INDIA ARE >>> NOT S. sinensis because all are hairy. Prove me wrong if you can. Otherwise >>> there is no point of discussion. >>> Pankaj >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Pankaj Oudhia >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Gurcharan ji. What I feel that unless such claims are not >>>> published in any standard journal and discussed thoroughly, it may be of >>>> less relevance to common workers who believe in standard literature. Hoping >>>> that Pankaj ji will publish his claim very soon in any such journal so that >>>> it can be quoted as authentic reference. >>>> >>>> I request him to present the pictures of all three Spiranthes he is >>>> mentioning as evidence so that we can believe in such claims, if he feels >>>> it ok. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think the most appropriate answer is what I wrote in another thread: >>>>> >>>>> In Flora of British India the species was described under the name >>>>> Spiranthes australis (R. Br.) Lindl., A species name (rather >>>>> combination) proposed in 1824, based on Neottia australis R. Br. (1810), a >>>>> species supposed to have pubescent inflorescence spike (it is also >>>>> supposed >>>>> to have pubescent bracts and floral parts partly as I read from other >>>>> sources). >>>>> >>>>> Spiranthes sinensis (Pers.) Ames, is a name (rather combination) >>>>> given in 1908, based on Neottia sinensis Pers. (1807), a species described >>>>> from China and differing in glabrous spikes (and bracts and floral parts). >>>>> >>>>> It has recently been considered by most authors (including Flora of >>>>> China, Flora of Pakistan, etc.) that these two taxa are synonyms, and as >>>>> basionym of latter is dated earlier, Spiranthes sinensis is accepted >>>>> name. >>>>> >>>>> It must be remembered that it is matter of taxonomic judgement (and >>>>> not a simple issue of names), as the two species were originally described >>>>> as distinct species (they have distinct types). For those who consider the >>>>> differences are not enough would treat them under single species S. >>>>> sinensis. Those who think (like original authors) that differences are >>>>> sufficient, and are also trying to detect further differences to >>>>> strengthen >>>>> their distinct identity, would consider them as two separate species. I >>>>> think Pankaj Sahni ji is just trying to do that, trying to settle the >>>>> riddle, and he being a world renowned Orchid specialist is both qualified >>>>> to do that. More so he owes the duty of resolving it for us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Let me quote Gurcharan ji from early discussion on Ipomoea sindica. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Luckily our present group believes on facts evidenced by literature >>>>>> references and not personal preferences." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am myself the reference. You can quote, Pankaj Kumar (pers. comm.). >>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In support of previous reply I am quoting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-194521 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> S.sinensis is mentioned as synonym of S.australis. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> May I know you reference considering it as two different species? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The reference I quoted considers S. sinensis and S.australis as >>>>>>>>> synonyms whereas tries to compare S.sinensis, S.honkongensis and >>>>>>>>> S.sunii. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot Alok sir. >>>>>>>>>> Yes this also looks like Spiranthes australis. >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Office: >>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Residence: >>>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ********************************************************************** >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>> >>> >>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>> Conservation Officer >>> >>> Office: >>> Orchid Conservation Section >>> Flora Conservation Department >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> Residence: >>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>> [email protected] >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 >>> (mobile). Fax: +852 2483 7194 >>> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Dr Balkar Singh > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology > Arya P G College, Panipat > Haryana-132103 > 09416262964 >
