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regards Pankaj Oudhia On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Pankaj ji > It seems you have not gone through these websites: > > "The seeds contain 22–36% of a pale yellow non-edible oil, called *argemone > oil* or *katkar oil*," > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argemone_mexicana > > "When mustard oil is adulterated deliberately (as in most cases) or > accidentally with argemone oil," > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_dropsy > > > I hope these and hundreds others on the net are not bookish. > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Perhaps I rely more on CSIR than Pankaj Oudhia. Others should call you >> expert rather than you claiming to be so. I think you see sindica in your >> dreams always. God bless you to become more tolerant, more humble in life. >> There are people on this group who have identified hundreds of plants but >> never boast. You did not have any role in solving the sindica confusion >> other than an arrogant outburst. Only myself and Tabish who both had >> confusion ultimately solved the confusion. >> Please come out of this sindica syndrome, and contribute in the group >> with grace. There are many others on the group who know about plants but >> never boast like you. >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Again Bookish Knowledge Gurcharan ji. It reminded me the Sindica >>> episode. >>> >>> Trying to take permission for uploading film on Argemone Dropsy prepared >>> with the help of BBC and young researchers of Vidarbha on the issue. >>> >>> I am saying on the basis of ground level experiences (I am sure you are >>> not). May be information given in Useful plants of India is wrong. You can >>> quote Pankaj Oudhia (Personal communication) if you want to use this >>> statement for academic purpose. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Pankaj Oudhia >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Surprised to read the statement >>>> >>>> "In fact, there is no Argemone oil as such in market. Argemone seeds >>>> are adulterated with Mustard seeds due to similarity. Argemone oil is not >>>> mixed with Mustard oil, its seeds only (with Mustard seeds)" >>>> >>>> I think this quote from Useful Plants of India (CSIR, I don't find any >>>> reason to doubt this publication) should clarify: >>>> >>>> "Seeds yield a nauseous, bitter, non-edible oil, used in cutaneous >>>> troubles; it is cathartic. Presence of Argemone oil in edible mustard oil >>>> is probably responsible for outbreaks of epidemic dropsy; mixed with drying >>>> oi, such a linseed oil, it may be used in paint industry; also used for >>>> soap-making." >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> l >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Pankaj Oudhia >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is always good to take second opinion specially in technical >>>>> issues. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:04 AM, vikram jit singh < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the clarification, Mr Oudhia. I based my statement on the >>>>>> following info provided by ushadi in the earlier discussion on this >>>>>> flower: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *What i find fascinating is that the tradesmen try to pass the buck >>>>>> and say the adulteration was accidental... most often its intentional .. >>>>>> since the Sheyal Kanta oil is very cheap... compared to Mustard oil... >>>>>> * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for sharing. Worrying about this statement >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Argemone oil is much cheaper than mustard oil." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In fact, there is no Argemone oil as such in market. Argemone seeds >>>>>>> are adulterated with Mustard seeds due to similarity. Argemone oil is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> mixed with Mustard oil, its seeds only (with Mustard seeds). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM, vikram jit singh < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am attaching a scan of my sunday column in the hindustan times, >>>>>>>> which carried the piece on argemone mexicana. the full text is pasted >>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>> for ready reference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *wildbuzz* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Vikram Jit Singh* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Ninny ki prem kahani* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** *Wild creatures suffer when men go to war. The 323 Air Defence >>>>>>>> Regiment was undertaking a field firing exercise of radar-enabled L70 >>>>>>>> guns >>>>>>>> in the famous Pokharan deserts of Rajasthan. When the fire and >>>>>>>> brimstone >>>>>>>> eased, soldiers found a terrorised Chinkara fawn. Then C.O. of the >>>>>>>> Regiment, Col. Prem Kumar, posted a Havildar at the spot to stand guard >>>>>>>> over the fawn, hoping the mother would return. However, the mother was >>>>>>>> probably dead and after a full day's wait, the Regiment adopted the >>>>>>>> fawn >>>>>>>> and christened him `Ninny'. A string of beads was put around its dainty >>>>>>>> neck. Ninny took readily to the Regiment and the hardened soldiers' >>>>>>>> hearts >>>>>>>> melted when Ninny frequented their tents for a tasty morsel. The >>>>>>>> fawn's HQs >>>>>>>> was Col. Kumar's house. Whenever annoyed at his whims not being >>>>>>>> pandered >>>>>>>> to, Ninny would slink into the Puja room and sulk for hours! As Ninny >>>>>>>> grew, >>>>>>>> the Regiment built a mini zoo with a flock of domesticated geese to >>>>>>>> keep Ninny company. Such was the camarderie that one one memorable >>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>> when Col. Kumar was herding the geese, he got a rude butt in his >>>>>>>> backside. >>>>>>>> It was Ninny rushing to the defence of his goosey girlfriends! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *April phool* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** * A flower of vivid yellow blooms wild in the scrubland forests >>>>>>>> of the Lower Shiwaliks behind the Sukhna lake. Don't be fooled by its >>>>>>>> brilliance, though. The Argemone Mexicana (Prickly poppy), which is a >>>>>>>> plant >>>>>>>> native to Mexico and the West Indies, has been used by traders >>>>>>>> to adulterate mustard and rape seed oils. This is because the seeds of >>>>>>>> Argemone and mustard look very similar. According to botanists of the >>>>>>>> group, efloraofindia, even if 1g of Argemone seeds are mixed >>>>>>>> with 100g of oil, it leads to capillary leakage of protein-rich fluids >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>> soft tissues of the human body. The ailment is called Dropsy and it >>>>>>>> has no >>>>>>>> specific therapy. There were Dropsy epidemics in India in 1934 (more >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> 2,000 cases) and in 1998, when 52 died and 2,500 more were >>>>>>>> hospitalised. >>>>>>>> This prompted the Government to temporarily ban mustard oil. New cases >>>>>>>> appeared in the summer of 2003. Efloraofindia botanists say tradesmen >>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>> to pass the buck by claiming adulteration was accidental. However, more >>>>>>>> often than not, adulteration is intentional since Argemone oil is much >>>>>>>> cheaper than mustard oil. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Snakes evict Minister* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** *Snakes seem to have launched a drive to evict Punjab Cabinet >>>>>>>> Minister Gulzar Singh Ranike from his sprawling bunglow (956 in Sector >>>>>>>> 39, >>>>>>>> Chandigarh). In the last five years, a dozen snakes have surfaced >>>>>>>> amongst >>>>>>>> the jittery Ranikes. The latest intrusion came when a 3.5 feet Common >>>>>>>> krait >>>>>>>> was rescued by snake-rescue expert Salim Khan from Ranike's back lawns >>>>>>>> on a >>>>>>>> midnight emergency call last Thursday. The krait is India's most >>>>>>>> venomous >>>>>>>> snake, with a toxicity reckoned to be 15 times that of a cobra. A >>>>>>>> nocturnal >>>>>>>> snake, It is encountered frequently in City Beautiful homes, stealing >>>>>>>> around the kitchens in search of cockroaches and lizards. Two pet dogs >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Minister have died. One dog died after it was bitten by >>>>>>>> cobra/krait. >>>>>>>> The other dog, a Bull mastiff, died after it was given wrong veterinary >>>>>>>> treatment following a bite on its face by the Rat snake, which is a >>>>>>>> non-venomous species. The mastiff had valiantly battled the snake in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> laundry room and defended two trembling pups. The snake invasion is >>>>>>>> one of >>>>>>>> the main reasons why Ranike is shifting residence to Sector 2, >>>>>>>> Chandigarh. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Flights delayed * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** *The highly-endangered Yellow-eyed pigeon has gladdened the >>>>>>>> hearts of ornithologists by prolonging its stay at the Tal Chhapar >>>>>>>> wildlife >>>>>>>> sanctuary in Rajasthan. Tal Chhapar's energetic Range Forest Officer, >>>>>>>> SS >>>>>>>> Poonia, reports a 100 of these pigeons in April this year. In previous >>>>>>>> years, the pigeons flew back to Central Asian breeding grounds from Tal >>>>>>>> Chhapar by March. Historical records of British ornithologists show >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> there are few instances where these pigeons have been sighted in April. >>>>>>>> These include sightings by Hugh Whistler in 1912 at Phillaur; Sirsa >>>>>>>> in 1896; Delhi in 1876; and by Per Undeland at the Harike Wildlife >>>>>>>> sanctuary, Punjab, in April-May 1995. Colloquially called the Salara in >>>>>>>> Punjab, the pigeon was last seen at Harike at the beginning of this >>>>>>>> decade. >>>>>>>> The shift from pulses and mustard to the wheat-rice cycle robbed this >>>>>>>> pigeon of a suitable habitat in Punjab. The pigeon's worldwide >>>>>>>> population >>>>>>>> is now between 10,000-20,000 with hunting pressures in its breeding >>>>>>>> grounds >>>>>>>> contributing to a drastic decline. Black clouds of thousands of pigeons >>>>>>>> once frequented the Punjab in the early 20th century. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------ENDS---------------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:03 PM, ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vikram: If you were to google it... you'll see that the seeds >>>>>>>>> are a deliberate adulterant of mustard seeds, even as little as 1 >>>>>>>>> gram per >>>>>>>>> hundred grams of oil leads to capillary leakage of protein rich >>>>>>>>> fluids into >>>>>>>>> soft tissues of the body and hence the name Dropsy... which has no >>>>>>>>> specific therapy, once a diagnosis is made ... treatment is only >>>>>>>>> supportive.... and a definitive diagnosis can be made by detecting >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> exact toxin sanguinarine in Urine... such dropsy most recover >>>>>>>>> but there are instances where death/deaths occur.. and hence is a >>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>> health hazard... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What i find fascinating is that the tradesmen try to pass the >>>>>>>>> buck and say the adulteration was accidental... most often its >>>>>>>>> intentional >>>>>>>>> .. since the Sheyal Kanta oil is very cheap... compared to Mustard >>>>>>>>> oil... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a very strongly put forward argument at this URL , that >>>>>>>>> I found to the point and very informative >>>>>>>>> http://www.itg.be/itg/distancelearning/lecturenotesvandenendene/47_Medical_problems_caused_by_plantsp8.htmof >>>>>>>>> about 4000 pages that show up on google. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck >>>>>>>>> and please send us a reprint or scanned article when you do write >>>>>>>>> this up.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>>>> ============ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:21 PM, vikram jit singh < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Mr Garg, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Could your group of experts please help identify and describe >>>>>>>>>> this wild flower i photographed in the foothills of chandigarh, ie >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Lower Shiwaliks. . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am writing about these flowers in the newspaper and would >>>>>>>>>> require your expertise. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vikram Jit Singh. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 9814019356 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 215 Sector 19 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chandigarh. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Columnist and writer for >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *The Times of India* >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> Columnist for* >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *The Dainik Bhaskar* >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> *The Hindustan Times.* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>>>> =========== >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
