Many thanks Dr.Jacob for the Id of the butterfly :) On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected]>wrote:
> Pankaj: > I knew it! you are not only a nice kid (sometimes high pitta) you are also > a creative kid... > love it... good for you... > Vermiculiphily.: though strictly scientific is also playful and sounds > like supercalifragilisticexpialidosious... something mary poppins would > rattle off or Sukumar Ray;'s AAbol taabol nonsense rhymes may sound off... > I'll download the pdf s and read 'em in am... > will write to you then > > > Question of pheromone may be easy now in this decade to set up hypothesis > and test it... but question of just scent/perfume for perfumes' sake .. > as in just simply liking it versus for reproductive imperative.. is > difficult to set up in Humans ... so I wonder how could it be tested in > insects... one needs to deeply ponder ... esp during the alpha states of > the mind/ brian activity and come up with creative protocols and set ups... > one would need a suitable insect to study... etc etc.. > > In the mean time I'll to share with you and all members of Eflora a utube > video..short really put up by the TED director himself ... > about how flowers and insects may have co-evolved etc... a beautifully > done short video well presented too... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVZ8zXJO48 > > Jonathan Drori: The beautiful tricks of flowers > > > enjoy > Usha di > ====== > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Good morning Usha mam >> Sorry for the late reply, I some how missed this post. >> I couldnt find any article which proves about Gongora but there is >> another article about pollination by cricket which I am attaching. >> There is second article on Epipactis veratrifolia also which I am >> attaching. This finding was published when I was writing my article >> and yes I have less facilities and money to work with but what I added >> was a new means of pollination by larvae. I coined this term >> Vermiculiphily. >> There are ways to do chemical analysis of pheromones and other >> volatiles but in case of Gongora, the scent is not used as pheromone >> but perfume, so I imagine how it can be proved!! May be people with >> more resources would be able to do it somewhere some day. Please check >> the process in Pollination by hoverflies article. >> Best regards >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:17 PM, ushadi Micromini >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > pankaj ...i agree with all above >> > loved the video.. >> > >> > question ... how does one prove the hypothesis about scent being the >> target >> > for the bees, and not the oil per se for some sort of protection >> against the >> > sun/uv or predator... >> > are these questions exclude able? or >> > excluded by others before you? >> > >> > like to read ... from you or refs >> > thanks >> > usha di >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Pankaj ji >> >> Thanks for sharing so many things including your observations. >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >> [email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> All animals that visit the flowers may not be pollinators. Its not >> very >> >>> strange. But those visitors like >> >>> 3 & 4: Insect on flower so yes it can be pollinator. There is a term >> >>> called head space. in pic no. 3, the insect, the way it enters >> the flower, >> >>> doesnt look like it can pollinate the flower!! >> >>> 6: The butterfly is not on the flower, just the calyx, hence it is >> >>> looking for something else on non reproductive parts. Probably not a >> >>> pollinator. >> >>> 7: Too small to be a pollinator >> >>> 9 & 10: again not on flowers but the persistent calyx, hence may not >> be >> >>> pollinators. >> >>> Studies on pollinators are really interesting topic which Indians have >> >>> been avoiding. There are so many endemic plants in India. Point is >> why they >> >>> are endemic??? One of the reasons may be the limitation of >> pollinators. We >> >>> should encourage people to work on this aspect of botany. Its very >> >>> interesting and we can get lot of good information out of it. The >> best thing >> >>> is, its a multidisciplinary subject: botany, entomology, ecology, >> >>> chemistry, behaviorial ecology.... >> >>> Some on take up this task please. >> >>> In HK I am studying an Orchid called Bulbophyllum bicolor. It is >> supposed >> >>> to be endemic to HK. But till now I have seen around 4 insects >> visiting, but >> >>> they were never able to pollinate. The plant doesnt set fruit in wild >> but >> >>> they occur in wild at many localities. I am coming up with some very >> >>> interesting findings. While studying it, I found some secretions on >> >>> the flower surface. Just while I was studying this species, I spent >> some >> >>> time on another Bulbophyllum laxiflorum. Insects were coming and >> spending >> >>> lot of time outside flower as if they were collecting something from >> the >> >>> surface of petals and sepals which till now has not been reported >> from this >> >>> genus. >> >>> Then I came across interesting works done on another orchid called >> >>> Gongora. In this, the bees collect FRAGRANCE from the floral parts to >> >>> attract females. They collect and apply the fragrance over their body >> and >> >>> while doing so, they pollinate the flowers. Isnt that >> interesting..... :)) >> >>> Watch the video. >> >>> >> >>> >> http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchidtalk/genus-specific/26352-gongora-pollinators-wild.html >> >>> Best wishes >> >>> Pankaj >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:28:14 UTC+8, Bhagyashri Ranade wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hello, >> >>>> May 2012 Pune. >> >>>> Found 4 pollinators foraging the small herb of Ocimum tenuiflorum >> (Tulas >> >>>> in Marathi) at my home. >> >>>> The ?wasp and ?bees were seen around 11.00 am to 2.00pm followed by >> the >> >>>> butterfly and the insect in the late evening. >> >>>> pic 3&4 -is it yellow jacket wasp? >> >>>> Pic 6- is it Common Cerulean? >> >>>> Please validate >> >>>> Would appreciate your help to Id the bees and the insect too. >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Thanks and regards >> >>>> Bhagyashri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dr Satish Phadke >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Usha di >> > =========== >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ********************************************************************** >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >> Conservation Officer >> >> Office: >> Orchid Conservation Section >> Flora Conservation Department >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> Residence: >> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 >> (mobile). Fax: +852 2483 7194 >> > > > > -- > Usha di > =========== > ======== > > -- Regards Bhagyashri
