Hello Mic and Pankaj, My thoughts in this context will come later when time available. Yet, in gist, will tend to agree with Pankaj's thoughts. Here we are discussing the name Brahmi (in Sanskrit alone). And we have enough to discuss ! It may happen for several / all names in Sanskrit - if we are to go by one name - one plant. I would go with putting *Illegitimate name for* against brahmi for
1. *Clerodendrum siphonanthus* R.Br. ... synonym of *Clerodendrum indicum * (L.) Kuntze 2. *Enhydra hingcha* 3. *Ruta graveolens* L. I will add *Illegitimate name for* *Centella asiatica* (L.) Urb. in this page ... https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/sanskrit/brahmi-brahmi, as soon as I am ready with appropriate contents for reasoning. Regards. Dinesh On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > In sanskrit an vedas there are slokas and sometimes these slokas were > misinterpreted. For long Centella was considered as Brahmi, then after more > research and translation, they realised that it was Bacopa. But due to long > usage of the name, sometimes it is still used and also because some people > are not aware of these scientific facts. > Similar thing happens in Botanical Nomenclature also, when we conserve a > wrong name due to is long usage. Just for example, we use > Orchidaceae Juss. (1789) against Orchidaceae Adanson (1763). > > But at both place we should always encourage to use one name for one > plant. May be from now onwards, people will start following us. > Regards > Pankaj > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Michel H. Porcher <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello there, >> My response seems to have gone through like a lead balloon! >> I wonder if we can get a consensus as a group. I would make a statement >> like this: >> "Given that the name "Brahmi" is used for so many plants it should be >> only considered as a (wrong) synonym for Bacopa (and Centella). It cannot >> be dismissed altogether because it has successfully been associated with >> both Bacopa (almost rightly) and Centella (mostly wrongly) in various parts >> of India as well as everywhere else in the world. Some authors have >> attempted to point out that the attribution of the vernacular "Brahmi" to >> Bacopa or Centella is very much dependent on the region of India one comes >> from. In order to bring back some clarity to the nomenclature of these two >> important plants we recommend the following preferred names...." Do we >> all agree so far? >> Then I am willing to comply with your wisdom as custodians of the >> languages involved. Over to you fellow lexicographers. >> Michel >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> *To:* Giby Kuriakose <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>; ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]>; [email protected]; Tabish >> Qureshi <[email protected]>; MIchel H. PORCHER <[email protected]>; >> Tanay Bose <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 5, 2012 4:49 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:118557] Re: Names of Plants in India :: >> Centella asiatica (L.) Urb. >> >> Many many thanks Giby ji and Pankaj for validating *brahmi* in Sanskrit >> in context of *Bacopa* vs *Centella* - will amend my notes accordingly. >> Other plants - *Clerodendrum indicum*, *Enhydra hingcha*, *Ruta >> graveolens* do have *brahmi* as one of Sanskrit names, >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Giby Kuriakose <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >> Please refer the following links >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacopa_monnieri >> >> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=463ERB3VeUoC&pg=PA89&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false >> (page 89) >> >> >> Regards >> Giby >> >> >> >> >> On 4 June 2012 23:56, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Many thanks Tanay for clarifying taxonomical status of *Centella*. >> >> >> Pankaj, ... gathering names for *Centella asiatica* and *Bacopa monnieri*was >> interesting as well as confusing in context of their association with >> the name *brahmi*. >> >> >> Have not yet put *brahmi* as Sanskrit name for *Centella asiatica* (syn. >> *Hydrocotyle asiatica*). >> Would have neither put it for *Bacopa monnieri* - WHY ? >> because: >> 1) none of the *Sanskrit dictionaries* that I referred, have mention of >> *Bacopa >> monnieri* OR any of its synonyms - almost leading me to think it is not >> a native of our country. >> 2) on the contrary, *brahmi* is put for several plants - - - >> surprisingly neither *Bacopa* NOR *Centella* NOR their synonyms among >> them. >> >> >> Hoping someone among us provides clarity about *brahmi*. >> >> >> The phrase "In Vedas, one name is for one plant only" is not convincing >> me. There are countless "generic names" in Sanskrit (not sure about Veda) - >> that is - there are names shared (for various reasons) by several plants - >> *brahmi* is one such. Here are contents of *brahmi* page of Sanskrit, >> compiled as of now: >> >> >> via Names in<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names> >> > Sanskrit<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/sanskrit> >> > >> ब्राह्मी brahmi >> *References*: >> >> 1. [image: Bacopa monnieri (L.) >> Wettst.]<http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/2465019988/> >> *Bacopa >> monnieri*<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-species/b/bacopa-monnieri>(L.) >> Wettst. >> - ENVIS - >> FRLHT<http://envis.frlht.org/plant_details.php?disp_id=269&parname=0> >> - वनौषधी [ *Vanaushadi* ] by Dr Madhukar Bachulkar - Cholekar >> 2. *Clerodendrum siphonanthus* R.Br. ... synonym of *Clerodendrum >> indicum* (L.) Kuntze >> - Monier-Williams >> Dictionary<http://www.sanskrita.org/wiki/index.php/brAhmI> >> 3. *Enhydra hingcha* >> - Monier-Williams >> Dictionary<http://www.sanskrita.org/wiki/index.php/brAhmI> >> 4. *Ruta graveolens* L. >> - Monier-Williams >> Dictionary<http://www.sanskrita.org/wiki/index.php/brAhmI> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> That perception is wrong. In Vedas, one name is for one plant only. But >> it was misinterpreted. For long people believed Centella to be Brahmi but >> later they found out the mistake. >> Regards >> Pankaj >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM, ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Pankaj >> both are brahmi... >> recognised by the csir for ayurvedic medicinal purposes... same / >> similar effects on vasculature of brain among others and memory .. they >> show both on their various brochures they bring to some medical >> conferences... I used to have some, if they are still in my library, I'll >> scan them and show here... >> >> In Bengal we call this thankuni pata and the Bacopa monieri as Bhrahmi >> saak.. >> But in the western Indian states it the other way around... where >> Centella asiatica is the brahmi and the other neerbrahmi.... >> >> take a look at any modern Ayurvedic botany text and you'll see that the >> argument continues... >> >> USha di >> === >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> Dear Sir >> This is not the plant which is called Brahmi in Hindi or Sanskrit. Brahmi >> is Bacopa. >> Best regards >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, 4 June 2012 02:20:29 UTC+8, Dinesh Valke wrote: >> >> via Species<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-species> >> > C <https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-species/c> >> > >> *Centella asiatica* (L.) Urb. ... (*family*: Apiaceae) >> [image: Centella asiatica (L.) >> Urb.]<http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/6935470969/> >> >> [image: Flowers of >> India]<http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Indian%20Pennywort.html> >> [image: Discussions at >> efloraofindia]<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#%21searchin/indiantreepix/Centella%20asiatica> >> [image: more views in >> flickr]<http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Centellaasiatica&m=tags&z=m> >> [image: more views on Google >> Earth]<http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/geo/india/&tags=Centellaasiatica&format=kml_nl> >> >> >> *ken-TEL-uh* -- from Greek *centum* (hundred) referring to profusely >> branched prostrate herb ... >> IJRAP<http://www.ijrap.net/admin/php/uploads/436_pdf.pdf> >> *a-see-AT-ee-kuh* -- of or from Asia... Dave's >> Botanary<http://davesgarden.com/guides/botanary/> >> >> >> *commonly known as*: >> coinwort<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/coinwort>, >> Indian >> pennywort<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/indian-pennywort>, >> Indian water >> navelwort<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/indian-water-navelwort>, >> pennyweed<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/pennyweed>, >> spadeleaf<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/spadeleaf>• >> *Assamese*: মানিমুনি >> manimuni<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/assamese/manimuni-manimuni>• >> *Bengali*: ব্রহ্মমন্ডূকী >> brahmamanduki<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/bengali/brahmamanduki-brahmamanduki>, >> থানকুনি >> thanakuni<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/bengali/thanakuni-thanakuni>• >> *Dogri*: ब्राह्मी बूटी brahmi >> booti<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/dogri/brahmi-buti-brahmi-booti>, >> ghor-sumbi<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/dogri/ghor-sumbi>• >> *Gujarati*: બ્રાહ્મી >> brahmi<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/gujarati/brahmi-brahmi>, >> ખડબ્રાહ્મી >> khadabrahmi<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/gujarati/khadabrahmi-khadabrahmi>• >> *Hindi*: बल्लारि >> ballari<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/hindi/ballari-ballari>, >> भेकी >> bheki<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/hindi/bheki-bheki>, >> ब्रह्ममण्डूकी >> brahmamanduki<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/hindi/brahmamanduki-brahmamanduki>, >> ब्राह्मी >> brahmi<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/hindi/brahmi-brahmi>, >> खुलखुडी >> khulakhudi<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/hindi/khulakhudi-khulakhudi>, >> मण्डूकी >> manduki<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/hindi/manduki-manduki>• >> *Kannada*: ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಿ ಸೊಪ್ಪು brahmi >> soppu<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/kannada/brahmi-soppu-brahmi-soppu>, >> ಗದ್ದೆ ಬರಗ gadde >> baraga<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/kannada/gadde-baraga-gadde-baraga>, >> ಇಲಿಕಿವಿ ಸೊಪ್ಪು ilikivi >> soppu<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/kannada/ilikivi-soppu-ilikivi-soppu>, >> ಒಂದೆಲಗ >> ondelaga<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/kannada/ondelaga-ondelaga>, >> ಸರಸ್ವತಿ ಸೊಪ್ಪು Saraswati >> soppu<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/kannada/sarasvati-soppu-saraswati-soppu>, >> ತಂಬುಳಿ ಗಿಡ tambuli >> gida<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/kannada/tambuli-gida-tambuli-gida>• >> *Konkani*: एकपानी >> ekpani<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/konkani/ekapani-ekpani>, >> ¿ >> उंदरी<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/konkani/undari-umdri>? >> umdri<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/konkani/undari-umdri>• >> *Malayalam*: കുടകം >> kutakam<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/malayalam/kutakam-kutakam>, >> കുടഞ്ഞാല് >> kutannal<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/malayalam/kutannal-kutannal>• >> *Manipuri*: পেৰূক >> peruk<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/manipuri/perauka-peruk>• >> *Marathi*: ब्राह्मी >> brahmi<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/marathi/brahmi-brahmi>, >> एकपानी >> ekpani<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/marathi/ekapani-ekpani>, >> कारिवणा >> karivana<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/marathi/karivana-karivana>• >> *Mizo*: >> hnah-bial<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/mizo/hnah-bial>, >> lambak<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/mizo/lambak>• >> *Nepali*: ब्रह्मबुटि >> brahmabuti<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/nepali/brahmabuti-brahmabuti>, >> घोड टाप्रे >> ghod-tapre<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/nepali/ghoda-tapre-ghod-tapre>• >> *Oriya*: ମଣ୍ଡୂକପର୍ଣ୍ଣୀ >> mandukaparnni<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/oriya/mandukaparnni-mandukaparnni>, >> ମାଣ୍ଡୁକୀ >> manduki<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/oriya/manduki-manduki>, >> ମୂଳ ପର୍ଣ୍ଣୀ mula >> parnni<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/oriya/mula-parnni-mula-parnni>, >> ସରସ୍ବତୀ >> Sarasbati<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/oriya/sarasbati-saraswati>, >> ସୋମ ବଲ୍ଲୀ >> soma-balli<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/oriya/soma-balli-soma-balli>, >> ଶ୍ରାବଣୀ >> srabani<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/oriya/srabani-srabani>• >> *Sanskrit*: भाण्डि >> bhandi<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/sanskrit/bhandi-bhandi>, >> भण्डीरी >> bhandiri<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/sanskrit/bhandiri-bhandiri>, >> भेकी >> bheki<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/sanskrit/bheki-bheki>, >> मण्डूकपर्णी >> mandukaparni<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/sanskrit/mandukaparni-mandukaparni>, >> मण्डूकी >> manduki<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/sanskrit/manduki-manduki>• >> *Tamil*: கசப்பி >> kacappi<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tamil/kacappi-kacappi>, >> மதண்டி >> matanti<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tamil/matanti-matanti>, >> பறுணி >> paruni<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tamil/paruni-paruni>, >> பிண்டீரி >> pintiri<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tamil/pintiri-pintiri>, >> வல்லாரை >> vallarai<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tamil/vallarai-vallarai>, >> யோசனவல்லி >> yocana-valli<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tamil/yocanavalli-yocana-valli>• >> *Telugu*: మండూకపర్ణి >> mandukaparni<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/telugu/mandukaparni-mandukaparni>, >> సరస్వతీ ఆకు >> Sarasvati-aku<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/telugu/sarasvati-aku-sarasvati-aku>• >> *Tibetan*: man du rag pa >> rni<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tibetan/man-du-rag-pa-rni>• >> *Tulu*: ತಿಮರೆ >> timare<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/tulu/timare-timare> >> >> >> *botanical names*: *Centella asiatica* (L.) Urb. ... *synonyms*: *Hydrocotyle >> asiatica* L. (basionym) • *Centella hirtella* Nannf. • *Hydrocotyle >> reniformis* Walter ... and more at The Plants >> List<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2708815> >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> ~ >> Photographed at Lollem, Goa ... 21 FEB 12 >> ... more views at >> *flickr*<http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Centellaasiatica&m=tags> >> . >> >> >> Referring to NPGS / >> GRIN<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?9831>, >> a query: has this plant now shifted to Araceae ... also placed in: Apiaceae >> Hydrocotylaceae ? >> >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Usha di >> =========== >> ====== >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ********************************************************************** >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >> Conservation Officer >> >> Office: >> Orchid Conservation Section >> Flora Conservation Department >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> Residence: >> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251(mobile). >> Fax: +852 >> 2483 7194 >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >> Royal Enclave, >> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >> Bangalore- 560064 >> India >> Phone - +91 9448714856 +919947109987 (Mobile) >> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. > Conservation Officer > > Office: > Orchid Conservation Section > Flora Conservation Department > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > Residence: > 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > email: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 > (mobile). 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