Yes Garg ji
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:19 PM, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: > Can we take it as Pedicularis siphonantha as per the recent thread: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/ZpVqxNlhyGI > in > view of Tabish ji's remark as below: > "Gurcharan ji, > This paper of 2009, [Taiwania, 54(2): 122-133, 2009] analyses > Pedicularis species of Section Siphonanthae. I have attached a sketch from > the paper. Pedicularis hookeriana (flower C in the diagram) has a very > short flower-tube. Also the distribution of Pedicularis siphonantha is > mentioned to be from Kashmir to Eastern Himalayas. > So I think the long-flowered species throughout the Himalayas is > Pedicularis siphonantha. > The other long-flowered species, with hairy flower-tube, is Pedicularis > megalantha, but restricted to E. Himalayas. > - Tabish" > > > > On 4 September 2012 01:26, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> After having seen several similar uploads from VOF, I hope I would >> consider this as Pedicularis hookeriana. >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 11:05 PM, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> “I think this is *Pedicularis siphonantha * >>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=52572&flora_id=2 >>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Tube%20Lousewort.html >>> with a distinctive twisted nose. - Tabish” >>> >>> "Thanks Tabish ji for prompting me for relook from 'Scrophulariaceae of >>> Western Himalayas'. I had initially provisionally identified it from Flora >>> simlensis which lists only P. carnosa (now synonym of P. bifida) with >>> alternate leaves and pink flowers. P. siphonantha according to Pennel does >>> not grow in Western Himalayas and has much longer corolla tube (usually >>> more than four times the calyx). *To me the plant looks to be >>> Pedicularis punctata Decne. (syn: P. siphonantha var. brevituba Prain) >>> *characterised >>> by leaves with 4-6 pairs of pinnae, flowers pink, part of lower corolla >>> lobes and galea white. >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh" >>> >>> "According to Polunin & Stainton, Pedicularis siphonantha is found in >>> region from Uttarakhand to S. Tibet. However, *I don't have much idea >>> about Pedicularis punctata.* >>> - Tabish" >>> >>> >>> "*P. siphonantha has much longer and slender corolla tube, beak >>> spirally coild or S shaped and leaves with 6-15 pairs of segments. * >>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=52572&flora_id=2 >>> -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh" >>> >>> "Not very often I differ from the views of Tabish sir, But this time I >>> think the link provided by Dr. Gurcharan shows a plant >>> on an authentic website. The corolla tube is smooth and glabrous unlike >>> our plant and much longer than our plant. >>> There is one more species recently erected called Pedicularis >>> yaoshanensis. >>> Have a look plz. >>> Regards >>> Pankaj" >>> >>> "I could not find any details of Pedicularis punctata Decne. (syn: P. >>> siphonantha var. brevituba Prain) on net. It looks close to *Pedicularis >>> sigmoidea compared to P. siphonantha* as per Flora of China as per >>> details below (though I may be wrong as may not be in range) >>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3732&flora_id=2(Illustration) >>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=52569&flora_id=2 (Pix) >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200021143(Details) >>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=89829&flora_id=800(Pix)" >>> from me. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> Date: 20 November 2010 12:46 >>> Subject: Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb25 for Id- JM >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Wild Herb captured on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around >>> 11,000 ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.). >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& >>> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged >>> alphabetically & place-wise): >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use >>> them for free as per liberal licensing conditions attached with each >>> image. >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Google e-group- Efloraofindia: >>> http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 1420 members >>> & 52,000 messages on 26/10/10 & with a database of around 4200 species on >>> 30/9/10) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& >>> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged >>> alphabetically & place-wise): >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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You can also use > them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 1950 members & > 1,27,800 messages on 31/8/12) or Efloraofindia website: > https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database > of more than 7000 species). > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > > --
