Sir, I will try to visit the place once again to collect specimen there and record data on sizes of leaves, leaflets etc.
Thank you & Regards, surajit On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: > A reply: > "DearSurajit Our first work in CAL next is checking mimosa in > Herabriumnext Gdn office in top floor and in hall two where type section > etc is kept.this is another example for independent KYDIANA FOR SUCH items > on geogrphical elementS of taxonomy.,Unless I see the whole world in > Herabrium I dont publish any speciEs as species is not based on just one > specimen SO I DID NOT PUBLISH ANY SPECIES AT ALL -when a plant by > railwaytrack can be from source of Sunflower or tobcco plantation in Mexico > which we are growing here..Just inone day a seed can be taken to Sandieg o! > at extreme west from Hoogly in East .Good observations using all senses > Di d yougointo details of M,himalayn and M.diplotricha an note on paper > with pen. > KeepPollunin and stainton with youas Williams behind it is simple and > ecellent botanist at BM I met.I hve to prepare a paperon Kydia > Roxb inindia and also on Populus Linnwhich I worke inBM whenWilliams wa > alive.William Stern Librarianand authority onSolanacae and Lililiacea . " > from Datla CS Raju ji. > > On 16 September 2012 13:51, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >> >> Some earlier relevant feedback: >> >> Surajit ji >> It would have to much easier for us if you had given the characters on >> the basis of which you rejected M. himalayana and chose M. diplotricha. >> >> On the basis of preliminary comparison your plant does not appear M. >> diplotrich, in which there are generally more than 20 pairs of leaflets and >> latter are densely silky. >> One important thing to note is that your first plant is much different >> from your other photographs, in both number of pinnae, number of leaflets >> and flower colour. I fear they may be two different species. The first has >> nearly 10 pairs of pinnae and 11-12 pairs of leaflets.with much longer >> leaves. The other seems to have 5-7 pairs of pinnae and 10-12 pairs of >> leaflets. >> Both M. rubicaulis and M. himalayana (often treated under one species) >> are recognised as distinct species by the Plant List and Monograph on >> Indian Mimosa by Gamble. Former has usually 4-6 pairs of pinnae and 10-15 >> pairs of leaflets. Latter has 8-12 pairs of pinnae and 16-20 pairs of >> leaflets. *Your plant (except first) seem to be fitting M. rubicailis. >> * >> I am attaching the paper for your reference.- from Singh ji. >> >> Thank you very much for elaborating on Mimosa sp. >> I am not sure if the attached pictures were of the same plant. >> There were a small community at that place, spreading along railway >> tracks and 100 meters away from the railway tracks, inside a private unused >> land, inaccessible to me. >> >> I took more than 50 pictures from 3 plants lined in a series, having a >> space of about 20 to 30 feet between each other, along the rail tracks. Of >> these 3 plants, the first two were beyond my reach and i could take only >> distant shots with my 5x (200mm) zoom. I could access a branch of the 3rd >> plant and took closer photographs. >> I regret that i didn't record any leaf, leaflet, petiole, peduncle >> measurements and could not find any fruit. >> It was a cloudy day with high wind and the sun played hide & seek. Colour >> variation in attached photographs resulted from variable intensity of >> sunlight and controlled aperture setting by myself. >> The description of Mimosa diplotricha available in the sites i cited in >> my post is confusing. An example : 11 to 30 pairs of leaflets on each of 3 >> to 10 pairs of pinnae. However, one site states leaflets sessile, opposite, >> lanceolate, acute - >> http://www.hear.org/pier/species/mimosa_diplotricha.htm, whereas >> leaflets in my post, i think, not acute. >> I very much wanted to ID this plant as M. himalayana, but nowhere i could >> found that M. himalayana is moderately sensitive, even in any thread in the >> group posts i browsed :- >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/zG9JSldfGrM/discussion >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/oZG_RHlyZsE/discussion >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/bg07F2ITOXY/discussion >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/rdS2y0wu_jw/discussion >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/N8k8RXeySio/discussion >> One thread in group informs M. himalayana is a small tree, my plant is >> not. >> Attaching larger pictures of the same plant or plants. >> *If Mimosa himalayana is a sensitive plant then my species is Mimosa >> himalayana. >> *Thank you once again, >> Regards, >> surajit >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >> Date: 9 September 2012 01:27 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:129387] Mimosa diplotricha from Hooghly >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> >> >> Sir, >> >> I asked myself - >> >> 1. "Is it Mimosa pudica?" >> 2. "Is it sensitive?" >> 3. "Is this an illusion?" >> >> When i saw this plant i was sure that it was *Mimosa pudica*. But when i >> touched it, it didn't response! I touched again, this time harder, but it >> didn't response. I hit it with my plastic scale on its highly prickled stem >> and it appeared to me that it did response! Or was it an illusion, i asked >> myself. >> >> As i was going through my old records of *Mimosa pudica* i realized that >> it was not the same plant. Net search gave me *Mimosa >> himalayana<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/0Uee97BPYxw/discussion> >> *. I was about to id this plant with the same. But searched further and >> found *Mimosa diplotricha* at FoC - >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242332757. >> >> I think this is *Mimosa diplotricha* var. *diplotricha* as in FoC - >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250019707. >> >> Species : *Mimosa diplotricha* var. *diplotricha* >> Habit & Habitat : shrub, about 6.5 feet, beside railway track >> Date : 01-Sept.-2012, 4.30 P.M. >> Place : Baruipara (Hooghly) >> ID help : >> >> - http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=120751 >> - http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242332757 >> - http://www.daff.qld.gov.au/4790_7289.htm >> - http://www.hear.org/pier/species/mimosa_diplotricha.htm >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimosa_diplotricha >> - FoP doesn't feature this plant - >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=120751 >> >> Regards, >> >> surajit >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& >> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged >> alphabetically & place-wise): >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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You can also use > them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 1950 members & > 1,27,800 messages on 31/8/12) or Efloraofindia website: > https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database > of more than 7000 species). > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > > --
