Ushadi
There are two different aspects of taxonomy
1. identifying the plant correctly: you identify a plant as tamatar,
tomato, Lycopersicon lycopersicum, Lycopersicon esculentum or Solanum
lycopersicum,.........it is a correct identification for our common plant
2. Correct nomenclature: what should be the correct scientific name used
when communicating. The herbarium sheets world over will bear the
scientific name applicable when the sheet was prepared, and very rarely
these labels are changed. Similarly many of have thousands of photographs
with label that will bear the name which we knew (depending on the book we
have used) at the time of identification. In fact all my photographs of
this species will have label Polygonum amplexicaule. Only when I upload
these photos, I will mention the current accepted name Persicaria
amplexicaulis in the text, the photograph label be same old Polygonum.
Why I mentioned tomato is because this plant Originally names Solanum
lycopersicon, underwent lot of name changes when transferred to genus
Lycopersicon (Lycopersicon lycopersicon to Lycopersicon lycopersicum
because former is a tautonym---a repeated name not accepted in botany
although accepted in Zoology). The experts had to sit in 1981 and declare
Lycopersicon esculentum as nomina conservanda. We used this as correct name
for nearly two decades till it was thought that tomato is a part of
Solanum, and we started using Solanum lycopersicon as correct name (See
GRIN). 2010 onwards we are again finding The Plant List using Lycopersicon
esculentum as the correct name.
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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:51 PM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected]
> wrote:
> Gurcharanji:
> no it does not
> the pink flowered one is labelled polygonum, on the slides
> usha di
>
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> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Ushadi
>> Perhaps of your interest (or you may already know) this species is
>> important medicinal plant and also popular herbal tea.
>>
>> Yes this plant produces bith white, pink to almost red flowers. Nidhan ji
>> in this thread uploaded plant with white flowers, identified as Percaria
>> amplexicaulis (Polygonum amplexicaule). Sine Nidhan ji had earlier uploaded
>> a red flowered plant also identified as P. amplexicaule, so he had some
>> confusion, and uploaded it again. To which Tiwari ji replied "yes it is
>> also same".
>> I hope it clarifies any confusion.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired Associate Professor
>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:29 AM, ushadi Micromini <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> thanks for thew science...
>>> but
>>> i was referring to the conversation you and nidhan were having...
>>> botanists perhaps understand the shorthand communication..
>>> what is the same? as you said it?
>>>
>>> i dont understand this ... read the conversation you were having between
>>> the two of you and tell me what /which is which...
>>>
>>> we have many many non botanists who follow these very carefully...
>>> botanists /experts need to be explicit... and not use short hand
>>> conversation...
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> usha di
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Umeshkumar Tiwari <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Mam,
>>>>
>>>> Treatments of Polygonum and related genera (subfamily Polygonoideae)
>>>> those by Haraldson and Ronse Decraene & Akeroyd, have segregated species of
>>>> Polygonum in the broad sense adopted into two separate tribes, Polygoneae
>>>> and Persicarieae. The remainder of Polygonum in the broad sense is
>>>> generally assigned to Persicaria (or a varying number of segregate genera,
>>>> such as Aconogonon and Bistorta) which, with Antenoron and Koenigia,
>>>> comprises the tribe Persicarieae.
>>>>
>>>> *Characters for segregation of Two species:*
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *Polygonum:* . Flowers axillary, solitary or in small clusters,
>>>> sometimes forming lax leafy spikes. Perianth (4- or)5-parted, not enlarged
>>>> in fruit. Stamens 5-8, reduced in number in outer whorl;
>>>> filaments, especially the inner, strongly dilated at base.
>>>>
>>>> *Persicaria:* Inflorescence spicate, spikes usually several. Tepals
>>>> fused for about 1/3 their length. Nectaries free, globular. Styles 1, bifid
>>>> or trifid.
>>>>
>>>> Gurucharan Sir can be more useful for clarification.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, ushadi Micromini <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> now i am confused...
>>>>> is perscicaria and polgonum the same?
>>>>>
>>>>> usha di
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Umeshkumar Tiwari <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> yes it is also same
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Nidhan Singh <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Umesh Ji...I was almost sure this being P.
>>>>>>> amplexicaulis...the only doubtful thing is the attached plant which is
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> identified as *P. amplexicaul(e)is*....hope to get clarifications
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Nidhan Singh
>>>>>>> Assisstant Professor
>>>>>>> Department of Botany
>>>>>>> I.B. (PG) College
>>>>>>> Panipat-132103 Haryana
>>>>>>> Ph.: 09416371227
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Umeshkumar Tiwari, Research Associate
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Usha di
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Umeshkumar Tiwari, Research Associate
>>>> www.medicinalplantsofuttarakhand.in
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Usha di
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