Thanks Gurcharan ji for correcting me once again.
Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > Many thanks Vijayasankar ji for your response and thank you very much > Gurcharan ji for the clarity. > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I think it is the same plant that was uploaded by Dinesh ji and went >> through the same discussion involving as many as 26 mails. I think the >> conclusion should apply here also, >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!topic/indiantreepix/joB3x732D0o >> >> Cucumis prophetarum is a very distinct species with strongly echinate >> fruits, not found here. >> >> Cucumis sativus and C. melo, although with similar looking flowers are >> easily differentiated on atleast three counts, although both have number >> varieties/cultivars: in Cucumis sativus the leaves are sharply angular >> (more or less rounded in C. melo), flowers centre is yellow (pale in C. >> melo) and very important ovary and young fruits bear tubercles (which may >> stay in shorter light green dry gardening forms and fall off in dark green >> longer forms cultivated larger in wetter habitats: these two forms we have >> in Kashmir former known as Baghi (Garden) kheera and latter Dal kheera >> (like English cucumber and grown on floating gardens of Dal Lake)). In C. >> melo on the other hand tubercles ae lacking and ovary and young fruits are >> covered with hairs which shed off easily. >> Cucumis trigonous as mentioned in Flora of British India has "ovary >> hairy sometimes densely white wooly or silky........distinguished from C. >> melo only by perennial habit"....no doubt in recent treatments it is either >> merged totally in C. melo or considered as its variety. Obviously our plant >> is not this. >> The above plant as such is nothing but a form of Cucumis sativus. >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Vijayasankar >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Renee ji, are you sure of the id *Cucumis trigonus*? >>> As the fruits are spinous, I think it should be *Cucumis prophetarum*. >>> (Ref.: Flora of Pres. Madras; FoC). Pl correct me if I am wrong. >>> Nice pictures and useful info, though. >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Vijayasankar Raman >>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>> University of Mississippi >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Aarti S. Khale >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Renee, >>>> Nice pictures and interesting information. >>>> Thanks for sharing. >>>> Aarti >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, November 19, 2012 12:05:40 PM UTC+4, Renee wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>> >>>>> Would like to share few pictures of Cucumis callosus syn C. trigonus >>>>> taken on 15th Nov12........the pulp has dried up, crumbled, collapsed and >>>>> has collected at the bottom with the seeds clearly seen. I made a small >>>>> tear in the dried skin of the fruit to get the picture of the seeds. One >>>>> can see the black prickles still on the dried skin. >>>>> >>>>> I noticed that during Diwali days till narakchawdes / kaalichawdes, it >>>>> is sold in the market by vegetable vendors, on inquiring, some people who >>>>> were buying it, they told me a very interesting ritual connected with >>>>> this >>>>> vegetable during Diwali.....in Maharashtra's Konkan area and specially in >>>>> Goa, on narakchawdes, the bitter ‘Kaarit’ (Cucumis trigonus) is >>>>> crushed by each member of the family, under his/her feet to signify the >>>>> death of the evil. It also indicates that evil ideas should find place >>>>> near >>>>> one’s feet and not in his heart. Same ritual is practiced in many homes in >>>>> Bombay too during Diwali. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Renee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> > > --
