Sorry for the typos. That should be 1.1.47 mid aco'ntyāt paraḥ.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 4:12 AM Rishi Rajpopat <rishiatulrajpo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Prof. Olivelle, > > Thanks for your email. You are absolutely right. When I was writing my > thesis, I did think very carefully about whether I should use the terms > 'left' and 'right' while talking about pūrva and para respectively. > > One reason, of course, was, as you mention, that these terms only makes > sense in the written context. The other reason for my apprehension about > the accuracy / appropriateness of these terms was that, if Sanskrit were to > be written, like Persian, from right to left, then para would have meant > 'left'. > > So, why did I eventually decide to use the term 'right'? The thing is, I > had to make it absolutely clear that, according to me, paraṁ kāryam means > 'the rule which is applicable to the part that is spoken / pronounced later > in time'. For example, the suffix is uttered / pronounced later than the > base. I realized I would find it difficult to use this long and somewhat > awkward phrase ('the rule which is applicable to the part that is spoken / > pronounced later in time') again and again in my thesis. And since I've > introduced so many new ideas in my thesis, I wanted to present things > diagrammatically wherever possible to help the reader understand what I am > trying to say. For all these reasons, I decided to translate para as right > hand side when translating not only (my interpretation of) 1.4.2 > vipratiṣedhe paraṁ kāryam, but also in other rules such as 1.1.51 uraṇ > raparaḥ and 1.1.47 mid acho'ntyāt paraṇ. > > I have not provided the above clarification in my thesis. In hindsight, I > think I definitely should have. In the future, when I write about my > doctoral research, I will most certainly do so. Thank you very much for > bringing this up. > > In my recent interviews though, including the one with BBC radio > yesterday, I did explain that paraṁ kāryam actually means 'that rule which > is applicable to the part (to be more precise, operand) which is spoken / > pronounced later', and that I use the term right hand side purely because I > find it convenient to do so. > > Best, > Rishi > > --- > > Dr. Rishi Rajpopat > MSt (Oxford), PhD (Cambridge), > Former Gonda Fellow (Leiden) > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 10:00 PM Patrick Olivelle via INDOLOGY < > indology@list.indology.info> wrote: > >> I wrote a response but apparently sent it only to Dominik. Here it is: >> >> Thank you, Dominik. I am no Pāṇinian, and it is good to know that this is >> a series work and advances scholarship. I was curious, however, about the >> use of ‘left’ and ‘right’ in the write-up on websites. These terms make >> sense only within a manuscript culture. Would the translations have to be >> “prior” and “posterior” or some terms to that effect, if we are dealing >> with orality? >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 15, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < >> indology@list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Madhav, Rajpopat discusses this point and explicitly defends his view in >> paras 1.6 and 1.7. >> >> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 07:11, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >> indology@list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> In contrast with Patañjali, many modern scholars have argued that >>> originally the rule "vipratiṣedhe paraṃ kāryam" was intended to apply only >>> within the ekasaṃjñādhikāra prescribed by the previous rule "ā kaḍārād ekā >>> saṃjñā." While Rishi Popat disagrees with Patañjali, he still seems to take >>> the rule as applying across the entire Aṣṭādhyāyī. Popat has an interesting >>> suggestion, but I am not yet convinced of his understanding of paratva. I >>> would like to hear from my Guru, Professor Cardona. >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, >>> India >>> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 3:42 AM Arash Zeini via INDOLOGY < >>> indology@list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for sharing this. A great example of close reading, if true. I >>>> was most intrigued by Prof. Vergiani's statement: >>>> >>>> "Mr Rajpopat said he had a ‘eureka moment’ after his supervisor at >>>> Cambridge, Professor of Sanskrit Vincenzo Vergiani, advised him: ‘If the >>>> solution is complicated, you are probably wrong.’" >>>> >>>> All best, >>>> Arash >>>> >>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022, 08:13 Kenneth Gregory Zysk via INDOLOGY, < >>>> indology@list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I came across this in my morning news: >>>>> *https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/student-solves-ancient-puzzle-that-baffled-scholars-for-centuries/ar-AA15i1XE?cvid=6546b24b0bde472b850c8525d2afe813* >>>>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-us%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Fstudent-solves-ancient-puzzle-that-baffled-scholars-for-centuries%2Far-AA15i1XE%3Fcvid%3D6546b24b0bde472b850c8525d2afe813&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7cb97ebb82b842cf9aae08dadec6cf05%7C31d7e2a5bdd8414e9e97bea998ebdfe1%7C0%7C0%7C638067242714035017%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9lIF6IRLg23B6G1Gi4d3U9zHm%2BQP9gdb%2BJIYw5vQGgk%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY@list.indology.info >>>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist.indology.info%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Findology&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7cb97ebb82b842cf9aae08dadec6cf05%7C31d7e2a5bdd8414e9e97bea998ebdfe1%7C0%7C0%7C638067242714035017%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PkaS3JjOGEj5FNNOMSIHlAsAsHFf%2Bzx7MU9DkFLsH3k%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY@list.indology.info >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist.indology.info%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Findology&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7cb97ebb82b842cf9aae08dadec6cf05%7C31d7e2a5bdd8414e9e97bea998ebdfe1%7C0%7C0%7C638067242714035017%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PkaS3JjOGEj5FNNOMSIHlAsAsHFf%2Bzx7MU9DkFLsH3k%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY@list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist.indology.info%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Findology&data=05%7C01%7C%7C7cb97ebb82b842cf9aae08dadec6cf05%7C31d7e2a5bdd8414e9e97bea998ebdfe1%7C0%7C0%7C638067242714035017%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PkaS3JjOGEj5FNNOMSIHlAsAsHFf%2Bzx7MU9DkFLsH3k%3D&reserved=0> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY@list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY@list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >
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