This paper may be of interest in the context of scribal practice: - Chakraborty, Deepro, Jason Eric Birch, Dominik Wujastyk, Andrey Klebanov, Harshal Bhatt, Madhusudan Rimal, and Vandana Lele. 2021. “The Graphemes Ch and Cch in the Nepalese Script.” Academia Letters, 1–7. https://doi.org/10.20935/al3954.
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 03:45, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < [email protected]> wrote: > This discussion of paurushetva and apaurusheyatva of the Vedas is not > related to , so a digression from the present relevant topic of primacy of > orality while deciding the 'spelling' of certain > phonetic/phomemic sequences. > > Prof. Hock, Hans Henrich brought up the pertinent point of primacy of > orality while deciding the 'spelling' and Sri Harry Spier too rightly is > focusing his attention on that aspect and trying to know the history / > chronology of the shift from orality alone situation to literate > (oral-literate dual ? ) situation.. > > गीती शीघ्री शिरःकम्पी तथा *लिखितपाठकः *। > अनर्थज्ञोऽल्पकण्ठश्च षडेते पाठकाधमाः ।। ३२ ।। > > is from पाणिनीयशिक्षा/सप्तमखण्डः available here > <https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B7%E0%A4%BE/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%96%E0%A4%A3%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%83> > . > > So , that is the reason , the guru in Pune was apologetic in saying that > the sishyas were using the printed version only tentatively. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:21 PM alakendu das via INDOLOGY < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Mr. Hart, >> Mahabharata's 'Shantiparva ( 210/19) specifically mentions the *Apaurasheya >> "** nature of the *Vedas. >> >> " Hrrishaya MantraDrashtarO >> Na tu Bedasya Kartaro" >> Na Kaschid Veda Karta cha >> VedaSmarta Chaturbhuja". >> >> SayanaAcharya's commentary on Vedas, too, reflects an identical view >> >> "*Josya niswashitam Veda jo VedabhyaAkhilam Jogot. "....* >> >> *I apologise for my inability to type in Sanskrit.* >> >> *Any further elucidation/ correction on the above would be highly >> beneficial.* >> >> *Regards* >> *Alakendu Das* >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> Sent: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 03:04:48 >> To: Indology List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Whitney and doubling of "ch" >> >> >> Well, perhaps not entirely apauruṣeya. See the RV: >> >> ए॒तं ते॒ स्तोमं॑ तुविजात॒ विप्रो॒ रथं॒ न धीरः॒ स्वपा॑ अतक्षम् । >> यदीद॑ग्ने॒ प्रति॒ त्वं दे॑व॒ हर्याः॒ स्व॑र्वतीर॒प ए॑ना जयेम ॥ ५.००२.११ >> >> On Oct 19, 2023, at 12:13 PM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Mr. Spier, >> >> What we have learnt from Indological studies, Vedas were never written. >> We call it "Apaurasheya"... i. e. not written. >> The Vedic Mantras came as revealations to the seers( we call them >> 'Drashta" i. e. one who sees) while in Meditation. >> The hymns or mantras were then recited orally and passed on across >> generations of disciples. who memorised them. >> Finally, sage Vyasa arranged a compilation and divided them among his 4 >> disciples namely, Poilo, Boishampayan, Jaimini and Sumanta. >> Thus we got the 4 Vedas >> >> In the 19th Century, Max Mueller edited the >> Vedas. >> >> Regards >> >> Alakendu Das. >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> Sent: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 19:40:15 >> To: "Hock, Hans Henrich" <[email protected]> >> Cc: McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Whitney and doubling of "ch" >> >> >> Hans Heinrich Hock wrote: >> >>> Whatever the motivation may be for the spelling with a single <ch> in >>> the Rig Veda (and let’s keep in mind that the “real” Rig Veda is oral), >>> >> 1) Can someone point me to some article on when and why the Rg-veda was >> first written down . what script etc. Was it a British initiative or was >> the whole or parts written down before the colonial period? I've seen in a >> modern Taittiriya Vedashala the students practicing some of their mantras >> using written material. Did the medieval and later Vedashalas also use >> written materials to teach their students? >> >> 2) Is it possible that this "Rg-veda written spelling gachati etc." is >> just a reflection of what was written when the Rg-veda was first written >> down? >> >> Thanks, >> Harry Spier >> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> <https://links.rediff.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=x%2Dmsg%3A%2F%2Flinks%2Erediff%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fred%2Ecgi%3Fred%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Flist%252Eindology%252Einfo%252Fmailman%252Flistinfo%252Findology%26amp%3Brediffng%3D1%26amp%3Brogue%3D73151f4b8b94d4114bc16fa2c1a9b8516d238f6e%26amp%3Brdf%3DV28DYAlnUzpdbVJjBjRXbwc1UzwAPlE6VWlZIVFjA2peeA%3D%3D&isImage=0&BlockImage=0&rediffng=1&rogue=49a3ac988c3c1880125d4510eea9a58af76fe0a2&rdf=U2tWNQhmVTwCMlxtCjgBOVZkVDsNMwVuBDheJlZkVD0FIw==> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> <https://f6mobile.rediff.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=https%3A%2F%2Flist.indology.info%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Findology&isImage=0&BlockImage=0&rediffng=1&rdf=AztWNQlnUjtUZAAxBTcKMlZkXzAOMFY9WGQOdlBiAmteeA%3D%3D&rogue=73151f4b8b94d4114bc16fa2c1a9b8516d238f6e> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> <//links.rediff.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=https%3A%2F%2Flist%2Eindology%2Einfo%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Findology&rediffng=1&rogue=73151f4b8b94d4114bc16fa2c1a9b8516d238f6e&rdf=ADgHZFQ6XzZUZFBhAjBRaVpoVDtYZlkyVGgJcQc1AGlWcA==> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > Senior Director, IndicA > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra > BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. > Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru > BoS Rashtram School of Public Leadership > Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Studies in Public Leadership > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >
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