Wow , thanks to all that responded. for those who asked what error ( i should 
have put this in before) here it is.

The application failed to initialize properly (0x0000022) Click ok to 
terminate the application.

The event log tells of says:

The IBM AFS client service failed to start due to the following error.
The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fasion.


I have tried using the new patched 3.5 GA release with the same errors. I did 
a clean new install , no upgrades. I am using dhcp on one client and a non 
dhcp client. I am going to try a few of the other suggestions that you all 
mailed me. I'm sure it's something stupid I'm doing.

Stan.




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