Troy,
   Here at SAS Institute, Inc. in Cary, NC, we have 5 AFS
DataBase servers running, one each per FDDI sub-ring. We run
the DataBase servers on dedicated machines to optimize uptime.
You MUST run file server processes on database servers for all
of IP ports to work correctly. However, if you don't put actual
partitions and files on the DB server, then they will come on-line
faster (no salvages to run, no volumes to attach, etc.) Since the
DB servers usually come back on-line faster than file servers,
especially after an "unscheduled" outage, the file servers don't
have to wait for quorum to selected. 

   We do run other "database"s on these servers, mainly "name service."
The additional load has not caused any noticeable impact and has the
additional benefit of limiting which machines MUST be on-line first.

   A final benefit is isolation of problems. If a Database server 
starts "losing it", you can take it off-line without impacting file 
service. (Obviously, replicated databases help here! :)

   Hope some/all of this helps!

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Bob Janka                        SAS Institute, Inc.     Any opinions 
Systems Developer                SAS Campus Drive        expressed are 
Development Source Management    Cary, NC 27513          mine, of course
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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 06:55 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re[2]: afs server sizing
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database machine configuration is a key performance factor.  The latest AFS
     releases are a lot more memory hungry than older releases; and even if
     your cell has not grown much, chances are your AFS backup database
     is a lot larger than it used to be.  Slow database machines
     will slow down even the speediest clients & file servers
     (and *will* even slow down backups) so it's worth making sure your
     database servers aren't overloaded, but are fast, endowed with more
     than enough memory to avoid paging, don't do anything but DB service,
     and & have plenty of fast disk for that.

Marcus,

   I'm relatively new to the afs environment.  Everything you outlined in your 
message made sense, however I'm curious about your recommendation of having AFS 
DB servers provide only DB services.  What about having these do AFS file 
services also?  I recently raised this same question to Transarc, and their 
response was "most sites run AFS file services on the DB systems as it is not 
cost effective to buy a server license for just DB services".  Cost is a factor 
for us, but performance is paramount.

Troy Thompson


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