Il 16/01/2015 09:18, Michael Scherer ha scritto: > Le vendredi 16 janvier 2015 à 08:23 +0100, Sandro Bonazzola a écrit : >> Il 15/01/2015 18:31, Michael Scherer ha scritto: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Itamar, by the proxy of Brian, did asked me to look on the bounce issue >>> we have on the users lists. So after a few hours of careful log reading, >>> here is my finding. >>> >>> The bounce situation >>> --------------------- >>> >>> We (ml admin) get on a regular basis people who get unsubscribed and >>> message about bounce. People being unsubscribed automatically is >>> bad(tm), and bounces are annoying. >>> >>> >>> Investigation >>> ------------- >>> >>> A first look show that our mails are bounced as they are marked as spam >>> by Google. Google doc on the matter do not give much, some people point >>> to using dkim, spf, etc. But spf is not for us, but for the sender, and >>> dkim is not ml friendly, afaik, and requires upstream support if I >>> understood well. >>> >>> Not all mails are bounced, which is good. That mean the ip is not >>> problematic. >>> >>> So I took a few hours to look on every bounce and roughly, there is 2 >>> groups. >>> >>> Group 1 >>> -------- >>> >>> First group is that all mail from the same poster on the users list have >>> bounced at Google. Out of the 16 mail he sent, 16 have been rejected by >>> Google. I have no idea why, I suspect the spf policy, but it did looked >>> ok. None of the mail of answer had a issue, so that's likely not a >>> content problem. >>> >>> However, the ip address of the sender is in the SORBS blacklist, so >>> that's likely what trigger Google spam filter. >>> >>> Not much we can do, besides contacting him, which I will do. >>> >>> Group 2 >>> -------- >>> Roughly, that's mail in this thread : >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2015-January/030494.html >>> >>> and the mails from Sandro : >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2015-January/030420.html >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2015-January/030423.html >>> >>> Common point, use of goo.gl and ur1.ca. It turn out that both domain are >>> flagged as URI spam, since that's used by spammer to hide their link. So >>> I suspect that Gmail started to "learn" about them as spam, as the rest >>> of the world did : >>> http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/ur1.ca.html >>> http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/goo.gl.html >>> >>> Again, not much we can do, besides asking to people to not use these >>> services ( which is not gonna work I think ). >> >> I may try to use bit.ly red.ht instead of goo.gl. >> Can we provide our own url shortener on ovirt.org? That should avoid >> blacklisting. > > I do not think bit.ly is gonna change much. It is likely abused for the > same reason by the same people. And the url are too complicated to be > sent sometime, so we cannot just avoid them at all. > > I also pondered about adding a url shortener on ovirt.org. Besides the > load on admin team it create, I think it would have the same issue as > the others after some time, and so we would need to add some > authentication, which start to make thing a bit complicated.
Not sure if authentication will work as expected, but this one seems quite simple to configure and deploy: https://github.com/mrtazz/katana > > > > _______________________________________________ > Infra mailing list > Infra@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra > -- Sandro Bonazzola Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. See how it works at redhat.com _______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra