On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 03:24:02PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 03:04:32PM -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> > On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 12:01 -0700, Josh Andler wrote:
> > > I think a simple system like that could be beneficial. Given the info
> > > about it and my lack of knowledge of OSUOSL's systems, is our web
> > > hosting on an encrypted filesystem?
> > 
> > Not as far as I know. But an encrpyted sqlite3 db should be possible
> > with an fs mount If I remember how ubuntu used to do home directory
> > encryption.
> 
> I'll point out we already have a gpg/git-based password management
> system.  I'll be happy to add anyone to it that needs access, and while
> I know gpg can be kind of technically complicated, I did attempt to
> document it well enough that most steps should be pretty
> paint-by-numbers.
> 
> Given that, I'd only want to consider switching the system if the new
> one is a) properly open source, b) at least as secure as our current
> system, and c) *technically* better in some way (apart from usability).
> Bonus points for being user friendly.

I would add d) "is more or equally simple in implementation".

> With that said, and not having actually played with Rattic, (a) seems to
> be covered since it's GPL licensed.  (b) it is essentially sidestepping
> by leaving it to the webserver and filesystem to handle (which actually
> is probably a smart approach); however it feels like I'm comparing
> apples to oranges so I'd want to hear the evaluation of an actual
> security expert (e.g. Kees Cook) before deciding this one.  As to (c),
> it looks like it'll handle everything our current approach does, and
> adds Auditing which our current system does *not* do, and which I do
> think would be useful.  Unfortunately they don't post screenshots of the
> app itself, but presumably nearly anything would be more user friendly
> than command line gpg so I'll concede that point.
> 
> Given A and C, I see no reason not to go ahead and set up something we
> can try out.  I'd want B settled before we migrate to it though.
> 
> In terms of priority, since we do have a system for handling passwords
> right now, I don't see this as urgent, myself, but if Martin is gung ho
> to experiment with it, I don't see a reason not to.
> 
> I *would* like to see a listing of what passwords we'd put in it, and
> who should have access.*
> 
> Bryce
> 
> * - Mostly because if there's anything our current system is missing,
> then I should make a priority to fix that ASAP. 

If this is for shared password management, I would actually argue for
eliminating the need for shared passwords entirely. How does revocation
currently work? Right now, I imagine you're sharing credentials instead of
having a credential for each person, which then has authorizations tied
to that credential. For example, give each admin an account (separate
credentials), and access to a sudo group (authorization tied to their
credential).

I suspect my lack of context here means something about your requirements
make this suggestion unworkable, though. :)

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook                                            @outflux.net

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