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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Retired old INN Subversion and Trac sites (Russ Allbery)
2. Re: Retired old INN Subversion and Trac sites (Paul Wise)
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 23:07:16 -0800
From: Russ Allbery <[email protected]>
To: Paul Wise <[email protected]>
Cc: Harald Welte <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Subject: Re: Retired old INN Subversion and Trac sites
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Paul Wise <[email protected]> writes:
> As far as I can tell, Russ hasn't contacted ArchiveTeam about archiving
> any of the INN stuff and while some parts of Russ' website have been
> saved by ArchiveTeam, the INN subdomain was not yet saved.
> https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/?q=eyrie.org
> We would of course be happy to save any INN web resources to
> archive.org, please let us know when they are back online.
> For the Subversion repository, I recommend submitting it to Software
> Heritage and saving it to an ArchiveTeam archive.org Codearchiver item.
> https://archive.softwareheritage.org/
> https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Codearchiver
To be explicit: we've converted the Subversion repository to Git and the
issues in Trac (which was never an open bug tracker used by the general
public, just something that a small number of maintainers used to an
extent) to GitHub issues. The GitHub repository is public and anyone can
archive it with my blessing, including the issues. The issue conversion
was not entirely correct so some messages got misthreaded, but we did some
cleanup and I think the important things are there.
I know some people are interested in archiving older artifacts and there
seems to be no downside to putting a tarball of the CVS and Subversion
repositories up on the ISC archive site for anyone who may wish to do
something with them. This is on my list to do when I get a chance.
I personally will not be doing anything further around archiving, will not
submit any data to any services, will not be creating an archive.org
account, and will not be bringing any of the pages on inn.eyrie.org back
on line. But all of the data on GitHub is public and the CVS and
Subversion tarballs will also be public once I get a chance to make them,
and anyone else who wishes to do those things is welcome to do so as far
as I'm concerned.
I'm fairly dubious of the value of the Trac database and the inn.eyrie.org
web site that was generated from it. It was an experiment I tried some
time ago; Julien was the only person who used it much, and primarily
(only?) the issues. There were maybe a couple of pages of general
information other than the issues, and the issues were all copied to
GitHub. If anyone wants to explore the historical development of INN, the
resource that you want is the mailing list archives (which are archived at
ISC back to 1999 and I believe can be downloaded from there). There is no
exciting treasure trove of data in inn.eyrie.org that has been lost.
(Julien is of course welcome to correct me on all of this and remind me of
anything big that I've forgotten when he sees this.)
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Russ Allbery ([email protected]) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2024 13:26:32 +0800
From: Paul Wise <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Retired old INN Subversion and Trac sites
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On Mon, 2024-01-01 at 08:12 +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
> I was wondering if you were aware of archiveteam.org and whether there
> was any contact prior to the shututdown so they can make sure to preserve
> a historical archive.? See https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Trac
> and https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveBot?- who I believe
As far as I can tell, Russ hasn't contacted ArchiveTeam about archiving
any of the INN stuff and while some parts of Russ' website have been
saved by ArchiveTeam, the INN subdomain was not yet saved.
https://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/?q=eyrie.org
We would of course be happy to save any INN web resources to
archive.org, please let us know when they are back online.
For the Subversion repository, I recommend submitting it to Software
Heritage and saving it to an ArchiveTeam archive.org Codearchiver item.
https://archive.softwareheritage.org/
https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Codearchiver
> People with an interest in software archaeology today or in the future
> might appreciate if the original data (tracdb) or at least an archive of
> the web interface to it could be preserved fro history.? Undoubtedly INN
> had huge significance in the development of UseNet and the Internet, and
> it might be more relevant to preserve its history than the history of
> many other FOSS projects.
For the tracdb, I suggest uploading it as an archive.org item.
The ia tool in the internetarchive Debian package can help automate
that, once you have signed up for an archive.org account.
For the web interface, ArchiveBot mentioned above is the best option.
--
bye,
pabs
https://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/
https://wiki.softwareheritage.org/wiki/User:PaulWise
https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/User:PaulWise
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