Hi,
For linear sparse system, we have been using Eigen (using OPENBLAS, CHOLMOD) in
the ITK context, here:
https://github.com/MiguelAlgaba/itkEigenSolverTraits
<https://github.com/MiguelAlgaba/itkEigenSolverTraits>
Best
Arnaud
> On 12 Mar 2015, at 15:41, Matt McCormick <matt.mccorm...@kitware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> From the discussion so far, it appears the following serious of steps
> could be taken to move forward on performance:
>
> 1) Replace vnl_vector and vnl_matrix with vnl_vector_fixed and
> vnl_matrix_fixed when possible.
>
> 2) Add Jian Cheng's BLAS and LAPACK backends for vnl_vector and vnl_matrix.
>
> 3) Add support for armadillo or eigen.
>
> 1) and 2) will be relatively easy to make, and will hopefully have an
> immediate impact on performance. 3) will take make work to happen,
> and it will take longer to impact the toolkit. We will need to have
> cross-platform builds of the libraries in the repository. Also, many
> ITK classes encapsulate their use of VNL very poorly, so it will not
> be as simple as swapping out or improving their backends.
>
> 2 cents,
> Matt
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Bradley Lowekamp
> <blowek...@mail.nih.gov> wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Thank you for giving us that important conclusion, under a quite difficult
>> situations.
>>
>> I wonder if there is any distinction in the usage of vnl_matrix vs
>> vnl_matrix_fixed. I would expect that operations done for pixel transforms
>> should have there dimension know at run-time and should be able to use the
>> vnl_matrix_fixed.
>>
>> I also have considered methods to transform a whole array of points at a
>> time. I wonder if for 3x3*3*256 sized operations ( scan-line size ) if there
>> would be benefit with the library based operations.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Chuck Atkins <chuck.atk...@kitware.com> wrote:
>>
>> I worked with Julie Langou, maintainer of LAPACK, on this project a few
>> years ago. The funding situation ended up very strange and messy and we
>> basically had to cram 3 months worth of effort into 3 weeks, so needless to
>> say, we were not able to really achieve our goals. However, we spent a fair
>> amount of time profiling ITK and analyzing it's hot spots from vnl to
>> determine where to best spend the small ammount of time we had. The results
>> were not as straight forward as we expected. It turns out that most of the
>> use for vnl_matrix and vnl_vector was actually for an enourmous number of
>> operations on very small sized vectors and matricies (dimensions of 2, 3, or
>> 4), often for coordinate and geometry calculations or for small per-pixel
>> operations that were not easily vectorized in the implementation at the
>> time. In these cases, the overhead of calling out to a BLAS or LAPACK
>> library was much too expensive and the existing use of VNL was far more
>> optimal. This falls apart, however when trying to use vnl for more complex
>> algorithms since the larger matrix operations will be where the benefit can
>> be seen. So just re-implementing the vnl vector and matrix classes and
>> operators with underlying BLAS and LAPACK routines turned out to not be the
>> best solution for ITK as a whole.
>>
>> - Chuck
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Bradley Lowekamp <blowek...@mail.nih.gov>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> If I was writing my own ITK classes, and needed a fast matrix library I
>>> would likely pursue an additional dependency on an efficient numeric library
>>> for that project, such as eigen.
>>>
>>> However for the broad appeal of ITK I would think a flexible back end
>>> would be best. As I think there are a variety of BLAS and LAPACK libraries
>>> available ( commercial, open source, vender free ). It would be nice to pick
>>> one what has been optimized for the current architecture. I would think it
>>> would be most flexible to use this interface in the back end of a chosen
>>> numeric interface ( currently VNL ). Unfortunately, I don't have as much
>>> experience with these libraries as I'd like.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2015, at 5:15 AM, m.star...@lumc.nl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the eigen library is a mature and very fast library for these
>>>> kind of things:
>>>> http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
>>>>
>>>> You may want to check it out, to see if it offers what you need.
>>>>
>>>> It would be great to be able to use these within the itk.
>>>>
>>>> 2c
>>>> Marius
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Insight-developers [mailto:insight-developers-boun...@itk.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Jian Cheng
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 23:17
>>>> To: Matt McCormick
>>>> Cc: Chuck Atkins; ITK
>>>> Subject: Re: [ITK-dev] efficiency of vnl_matrix
>>>>
>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help, and also for the ITK workshop in UNC last time.
>>>>
>>>> It is very unfortunate. The efficiency of these numerical math operators
>>>> are very important for many applications.
>>>>
>>>> I recently released an ITK based toolbox, called dmritool, for diffusion
>>>> MRI data processing.
>>>> It has some files to add some supports of blas, lapack, mkl to
>>>> vnl_matrix and vnl_vector.
>>>>
>>>> http://diffusionmritool.github.io/dmritool_doxygen/utlBlas_8h_source.html
>>>>
>>>> http://diffusionmritool.github.io/dmritool_doxygen/utlVNLBlas_8h_source.html
>>>>
>>>> Those functions are not internally for vnl_matrix class. They are
>>>> operators for the data pointer stored in vnl_matrix object.
>>>> Thus, later I made a N-dimensional array library which internally
>>>> includes those functions, and also supports expression template to avoid
>>>> temporary copies.
>>>>
>>>> http://diffusionmritool.github.io/dmritool_doxygen/utlMatrix_8h_source.html
>>>>
>>>> http://diffusionmritool.github.io/dmritool_doxygen/utlVector_8h_source.html
>>>>
>>>> The efficiency comparison between vnl_vector/vnl_matrix and the
>>>> vector/matrix using openblas, lapack, or mkl can be found by running those
>>>> two tests
>>>> https://github.com/DiffusionMRITool/dmritool/blob/master/Modules/HelperFunctions/test/utlVNLBlasGTest.cxx
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/DiffusionMRITool/dmritool/blob/master/Modules/HelperFunctions/test/utlVNLLapackGTest.cxx
>>>>
>>>> Maybe some codes can be used as patches in somewhere in ITK. I am not
>>>> sure. Maybe we need more discussion on it.
>>>> With your help and discussion, I will be very glad to make my first
>>>> patch to ITK.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Jian Cheng
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 03/11/2015 04:39 PM, Matt McCormick wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jian,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it would be wonderful to improve the efficiency of these basic
>>>>> numerical operations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funding for the Refactor Numerical Libraries has currently ended, and
>>>>> the effort is currently frozen. However, you are more than welcome to
>>>>> pick it up and we can help you get it into ITK. More information on
>>>>> the patch submission process can be found here [1] and in the ITK
>>>>> Software Guide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://insightsoftwareconsortium.github.io/ITKBarCamp-doc/CommunitySo
>>>>> ftwareProcess/SubmitAPatchToGerrit/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Jian Cheng <jian.cheng.1...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My task using ITK has intensive matrix-matrix product, pseudo-inverse,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> Thus the performance is actually mainly determined by the matrix
>>>>>> library I used.
>>>>>> Firstly I use vnl_matrix and vnl_vector in ITK. Then I found it is
>>>>>> very inefficient because vnl matrix lib does not use blas and lapack.
>>>>>> After I wrote my own matrix class which uses openblas and lapack, I
>>>>>> got a hug gain of performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found there is a proposal to improve the efficiency of numerical
>>>>>> libraries in ITK.
>>>>>> http://www.itk.org/Wiki/ITK/Release_4/Refactor_Numerical_Libraries
>>>>>> I am not sure how is the progress of the proposal.
>>>>>> I wonder when the vnl matrix lib can internally support blas and
>>>>>> lapack, or mkl, so that we can just use it without lose of the
>>>>>> efficiency.
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> Jian Cheng
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