Hi All,

Having recently worshiped in the US for three years and attending the
United Methodist churches there advised that they were the closest thing
to Uniting Church theology, I think the biggest problem they've got is
their inability to string two verses together and look at both of them.

I say this with a little humor but also with a huge grain of truth as
many of the UM churches we attended would take a single verse from the
Bible and beat it to death, totally out of context, for 15-20 minutes
(with plenty of Hallelujahs and Praise Lord Jesuses thrown in for good
measure).

We were astounded by this and after a while found ourselves either not
attending, going to the baptists (1st or 2nd) for the amazing choirs
(again, sermons were based on a single verse (or part there of)), or the
Catholics (who it seems can be relied on for a solid service regardless
of place in the world.)


Rodd

On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 20:40, Margaret Ralph wrote:

> The Crisis Facing the United Methodist Church
> 
> Yes, the United Methodist Church is in trouble. There are three
> groups- The Good News group, The Confessing Movement, and the
> Institute of Religion and Democracy that want to return our church to
> fundamentalism and biblical literalism. Most of the leaders in these
> groups hold an inerrant view of scripture. How they do this in light
> of all the biblical discoveries of the last 150 years defies reason.
> They need to be reminded that when Emperor Constantine called the
> bishops together in the fourth century to write the creeds and to
> decide which books would go into the New Testament, there were
> spirited debates, and much was left out. It is interesting that
> Emperor Constantine thought that all people should be Christians, but
> that Christians might legitimately hold different opinions on
> theological questions and could disagree about doctrine in the spirit
> of 'brotherly' love. His views would be a good witness to conservative
> Methodists in this present crisis moment. 
> 
> Many Methodists have admired the theological diversity in our church
> and do not want to see us become one more fundamentalist sect. We
> Methodists should be grateful for another group called THE INFORMATION
> PROJECT that is warning us to be ready for the onslaught of The Good
> News Group, The Confessing Movement and the Institute of Religion and
> Democracy at the Methodist General Conference in 2004. After careful
> research The Information Project has published a book entitled The
> United Methodist Church at Risk, A Wakeup Call. It was written by Leon
> Howell and comes with a study guide prepared by Bishop Dale White and
> the Rev. Scott Campbell. Listen to their words in the Preface and
> Introduction:
> 
>         Our denomination is at great risk. The time to act is now.
>         Organizations calling themselves "conservative renewal groups"
>         are engaged in campaigns to change the essential nature of our
>         church. They seek to take the church to a place where
>         diversity and tolerance are in short supply. They look back to
>         a time when knowledge was feared, questioning was suppressed
>         and imagination was squelched.
>         Groups like Good News, Renew, the Confessing Movement, and the
>         Coalition for United Methodist Accountability are working hand
>         in hand with the Institute on Religion and Democracy to alter
>         dramatically many aspects of United Methodist life and witness
>         most of us hold dear.
>         General Conference petitions from conservative renewal
>         groups-led by Good News and the Confessing Movement and backed
>         by the Institute on Religion and Democracy-have the potential
>         to: 
>                         Dramatically alter the church's social justice
>                         ministry, 
>                         Curtail the historical mission efforts of
>                         women, 
>                         Threaten freedom of the pulpit and seminary
>                         classroom, 
>                         Challenge the role of minorities, and 
>                         Undercut the church's ability to support
>                         policies that renew the human community.
>                 
> I simply cannot understand how so many in these groups claim to read
> the Bible as factual history or as God-dictated. They either have to
> ignore, or be ignorant of, the historical processes of its
> development. Our church has done a poor job of teaching its people the
> history of faith, but the clergy in these groups certainly should know
> better. The result is that many in the pew read their Bibles with
> little understanding and, thus, become firmly convinced of its factual
> truth. This mind-set makes open dialog almost impossible.
> 
> How did our church get this way? I would like to make the case that
> many of our clergy must share the blame. The General Conference of the
> United Methodist Church, that meets every four years, must also share
> the responsibility for poor theological teachings. I locate the
> originating moment of that blame in the General Conference of 1968.
> Let me start with the clergy. For sixty years or more our finest
> seminaries and academies have been teaching candidates for the
> ministry how to read and study the scriptures critically. Textual
> criticism taught them that many of the truths of the Bible should be
> viewed as myths and metaphors, including the stories of the Virgin
> Birth and most of the fanciful details that are found in the
> narratives about a physical resurrection. They also learned that the
> greatest teachings of Jesus were love of God and neighbor. Thousands
> of clergy brought all this knowledge to our churches, but for the most
> part they did not have the courage even to whisper about myths and
> metaphors from the pulpit. Those who did try to educate their
> congregations were soon in trouble with the more conservative members.
> The thinking members were frequently way ahead of their pastors in
> theological understanding and unfortunately, but as a direct
> consequence, most of them have left the church. I deeply believe that
> a church based on LOVE, REASON, and SERVICE would bring those people
> back.
> 
> How different our church would be today if so many of our clergy had
> not left their knowledge at the seminary in the mistaken belief that
> it would destroy the faith of the laity. We would surely be much freer
> from fundamentalism and biblical literalism if the clergy had trusted
> the laity to think and search with them.
> 
> I am much indebted to my great friend and teacher, Dr. Carlyle Marney.
> He started out as a Southern Baptist minister and ended his life
> directing the INTERPRETERS HOUSE at Lake Junaluska, N.C. I drove up to
> see him a few years ago in order to cry about the church. He said to
> me, "Rhett, you have transcended everything the Methodist Church can
> do for you. It has built too many fences around you, too many borders;
> you are trapped in the creeds, in the Articles of Religion, in all
> that stuff about 'Jesus shed his blood for my sins.'" He said, "GO,
> get out into the world and find your church with 'the least of
> these.'"
> 
> The General Conference is also not without fault. My first General
> Conference was the most hopeful in my lifetime. In 1968 we broke the
> shackles of racism in our church, we structured many ways to minister
> to "the least of these," we established boards to speak out for
> justice in the world, and we declared with a strong voice that we were
> open to all races in the world. However, we did nothing to speak of
> new theological terms, or new biblical understandings at that
> conference.
> 
> For the next twenty years it was pretty much business as usual.
> However, the General Conference of 1988 convened with hopeful signs. A
> committee was assigned the task to re-write our statement on theology.
> I was thrilled to be a member. Sadly, most of what we did was house
> dressing. Nearing the end of our work, Phil Wogaman (the retired
> pastor of Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington), not happy
> with our Bible statements, offered an amendment saying something much
> like this. "We believe that while the Bible contains much inspired
> writing, some is more inspired than others, some contains errors, and
> much of the Bible is mystery." Unfortunately, this failed to get a
> majority vote either in the committee or in the Plenary Session.
> Nothing has been done to change our theology since that 1988
> Conference. In fact we are now at the place where the conservative
> groups I mentioned earlier seek to block any new exploration. Yet if
> we look at our churches it is clear that they break into three
> distinct categories.
> 
> First, there are the folks in The Good News and Confessing Movement
> groups. Second, there are those in the middle who don't engage
> theology. They love our church, but don't do much thinking about the
> church between Sundays. Finally, there are the Searchers who no longer
> find the creeds meaningful, but who want to belong to a Church of
> Reason to live out their lives guided by the teachings of Jesus. For
> them the following quotation from the book A New Christianity for a
> New World by Bishop Spong will reveal why the creeds are no longer a
> living place for many of them, including me. On page 235 he quotes a
> young Harvard divinity student, Kathrin Ford. "No Christian Creed,"
> she writes, "is a full statement of faith. It is only the Christian
> Community's ecclesiastical 'response to arguments.' All the undebated
> issues have been left out. That is why in the creeds there is no
> mention of love, no mention of the teachings of Jesus, no mention of
> the Kingdom of God being present in our bodies and souls, no mention
> of the ground of life. The creeds have fallen on us like rain over the
> centuries. They have been repeated endlessly, shaping our minds and
> our souls to the point where we cannot think of God outside the forms
> they affirm, or the boxes they create."
> 
> I believe there are two ideas that the Methodist General Conference
> might consider that would speak to the needs of those who think of
> themselves as searchers. First, an on-going Theology Committee should
> be created with the initial task of working on the creeds. Second, it
> could encourage the formation of another congregation within each
> Methodist Church to be known as THE METHODIST ECCLESIA (ecclesia
> meaning a gathering of Christians, those called out). 
> 
> This group would be the searchers without borders who would write
> their own STATEMENT OF PURPOSE. They would be free to fight the
> justice battles in their communities and seek peace with justice. I
> believe they would soon be joined by many who have given up on the
> church, but who still yearn for the spiritual life based on love and
> tolerance that is in the "Good News" offered by the searchers. It is
> my intention to promote this "Good News" in any way I can.
> 
> Rhett Jackson 
-- 
Rodd Clarkson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Redfish Bluefish [creative]

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