RE: Letter to Reforming Alliance

[Bev Fabb]

The advice from teh Assembly office also, is that any congregations that do write to the Reforming Alliance should send a copy of their letter to the Assembly office also. So they can keep track of all those congregations who are choosing not to take part.   Bev -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Ramsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:19 PM To: insights Subject: Re: Letter to Reforming Alliance hi all,  my suggestion would be for any congregations where it is decided that the survey will not be distributed, that it would be important to respond to the Reforming Alliance and let them know - potentially with some reasoning The main reason in my opinion is so that the integrity of the results is not overstated. It probably would be good -- again in my opinion -- to mention the size of the congregation in the response letter along with a request that that in any distribution of the results of the survey such intentional non-participation is explicitly noted   maybe we could hear on this list from the assembly office whether it would be a full or just a snow pile of paperwork for a copy of  any such letters to be sent to the assembly office as well   Gordon Rin ----- Original Message ----- From: David and Olivia Neilson To: insights Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: Letter to Reforming Alliance My response to the request to have a referendum on resolution 84 in my congregation 112 Rusden St, Armidale NSW 2350, ph: 6772 7437 21/10/2003 The Reforming Alliance, PO Box 968, Newtown NSW 2042 Dear Sir/Madam, I have received the questionnaire from your organisation. I have also heard that the meeting you referred to in that letter specifically denied entry to anyone who did not agree with you (eg Dean Drayton). I have problems with what you are doing: 1] You are selective in the passages of the bible you think of as divine and legally-binding. Eg. Paul specifically requires women to keep silent in church and to ask their husbands should they have any questions. Yet I find your organisation headed not only by women, but by women who have been ordained. Clearly not by the Presbyterian churches or the Anglican Diocese of Armidale, who teach that the ordination of women contravenes clear biblical teaching. 2] Women and homosexuals, despite the alleged teachings of the bible, are lead by the Holy Spirit to do her work. Therefore, as Peter found when the Spirit was poured out on unbaptised gentiles, they have been blessed by God and so deserve to have that gift of God recognised by church, to keep the church in touch with what God is doing. 3] I applaud you enthusiasm but feel it is misdirected. There are so many other issues that need your time and money. This one is dead in the water. Churches that persecute someone because of their sexuality, when they are living in stable monogamous relationships, are the churches of yesterday. The Presbyterians are irrelevant to my local community. The Anglicans, with their conditional love and condemning attitudes, may be strong today, but by acting like a sect, they will soon become one. 4] This whole issue is cultural, not theological. You don't like homosexuals, and so find ways of denying them God's grace. I will not aid you by disseminating these materials. The churches I have worked with think this issue is irrelevant. As do I. Yours in Christ,     Rev Dr David Neilson --------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: The information in this message and any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error.. To the extent that this email contains information provided to Synod of WA/Wesley Mission Perth by other sources, Synod of WA/Wesley Mission Perth does not warrant that it is accurate or complete. Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual sender and do not necessarily reflect the views of Synod of WA/Wesley Mission Perth.