Jonathan wrote
I think we are about to push on to another level, yes? If we do agree, then where is all the debate coming from? We currently ordain heterosexual people who are in a committed, faithful relationship.
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hate to be a stickler: We currently ordain heterosexual people who are MARRIED (or celibate).
I don't think the church in general would approve ordaining a heterosexual who was in
a committed, faithful, sexual relationship - but wasn't married... This is actually the
other aspect of the debate which has been glossed over because everyone wants to talk
about 'those queers'
niall
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Hello Andrew,
Andrew Alder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jonathan wrote:
>> However, the issue is whether these standards are the same
>> for homosexual and heterosexual people. One perspective on this issue
>> is that the standards differ.
>
>Hmmm. Has anyone ever expressed this "perspective" to you? Who?
Yes, although perhaps not in these words. For example, I think the view that:
* if you are heterosexual and desire ordination, you can choose from celibacy OR a committed, faithful relationship as an appropriate way to express your sexuality
* if you are homosexual and desire ordination, you can only choose celibacy
is very common amongst those opposing the ordination of gay and lesbian people.
>> As I see it, these standards are independent of sexual orientation.
>
>And I'd agree. And I think so would everyone who has expressed an opinion
>on this list.
I think we are about to push on to another level, yes? If we do agree, then where is all the debate coming from? We currently ordain heterosexual people who are in a committed, faithful relationship. If we all agree the required standard is independent of sexual orientation, then it trivially follows we should allow the ordination of gay or lesbian people who are in a committed, faithful relationship? :-)
Rather than second guess where I think this is going I will wait for your response. I am finding this very useful in untangling some of my thoughts on the matter - thanks for your posts.
Cheers,
Jonathan
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